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  1. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    I think having to sustain an injury first in order to have a justified lethal response to an imminent threat is an unreasonable standard. The threat has to just be real. People don't have a right to injure you, but of course escalation of the use of force has priority levels--force meets equal force. My security guard friend has suggested adding mace to my everyday carry for the "in-between" situations--like many others in this thread--but warns that wind direction, capsaicin tolerance and other factors can confound its use. He carries a tazer for 'in-betweens' and says that I should look into getting one as a superior alternative to mace, though I think only LEOs and security companies can get them. Important note: a tazer is different than a flea market stun gun. My friend who is a survivor of domestic violence attests that mace won't stop someone dedicated to fucking you up--it'll just piss them off more. Real Threats Example: guy with a weapon/big motherfucker/multiple aggressors hasn't hit me yet but it's obvious it's incoming and I can't escape, my belongings are not sufficient prize, I warn him I'm armed and not to advance, I back up, he advances anyway, I pull and shoot before being bludgeoned/stabbed/broken. This would be the "going on the offense" I referred to in the quoted text above. If they don't pull a weapon and tell me to strip or something obvious I don't have a rational motive to comply with so you have to assume the worst before you're unable to do anything at all. It's surprisingly easy to get beaten to the point of disability or death. Not an example: Anything I can talk down, walk away or run away from. A pissed off guy wants to throw a few punches and shoves and get on his merry way--I happen to be in that way. Customer service, bars, ratchet house parties--it's happened before, it'll happen again. Not a life or death situation, the aggression is general, not specific, and the body language doesn't indicate premeditated focus that comes when someone is out to get you, it's chaotic, disorganized, and mostly aimed elsewhere. Crazy hobos fit in this category more often than not. It's a pretty specific set of scenarios; I don't plan on using this thing often. To take this back to its source: in the scenario I encountered, I would have had to have been attacked right as I was entering my vehicle--before I could get my door closed--to make me seriously consider using my weapon. The accomplice could then join in easily. Mace would probably backfire. If I ran, instead of attempting to enter, I had nowhere to go to--nowhere was open except maybe the nearby strip club--and I lost visual on her friend (also my knee is not that great). It was that thought specifically that made me realize my options could be extremely limited within that timeframe and I was all alone. Wasn't much margin of error on my end to get away unscathed. I can see an interpretation of what I wrote above as "I would just shoot anyone I thought would hurt me [vague] and in some magic fairy land people who get shot don't die" in the way I worded that, and I thank you for being specific, giving me a quote and a problem--it gives me something I can actually respond to instead of the nebulous and general "lol psycho killer small penor gun nut stop being poor and let urself get beaten up," posts in here. I think I got what you meant. To elaborate on the other half of that: I would prefer to make it to my grave without hurting anyone. Ideally anyone I would have to draw on would just fuck off without a trigger pull as soon as they see the thing, so I'd sleep better at night and he could reconsider his life choices, but I'm not going to draw it unless a trigger pull would be warranted (I am about to be rendered completely helpless, get fucked up, or die). One of those "I would be in the right, but no matter what I wouldn't feel right about it because it's another human being" type things. It's not a realistic expectation, just one I am 110% happy to accept if it comes about--these things do happen sometimes. If I do pull I expect to have to empty an entire magazine into the person trying to kill me to get them to stop, which will result in their death. I don't want to run out of options should the worst happen. The most realistic expectation is that this hunk of plastic and metal rides in my crotch for decades doing little outside the range but weighing down my belt and collecting lint for me to clean out periodically--one of the reasons I went with a single stack chambered in 9mm.
  2. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    You missed it because you didn't read. I keep dealing with this problem, of course I'd be a cock about it.
  3. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    Thank you for a constructive post. If someone wants my shit they can have it, I'm not looking to fight over a wallet either. It's noteworthy that dude in the video tells his victims his motivation. Without that information what do I have to go on should the worst come to worst? 'Usually' isn't 'always' and there needs to be some consideration for that at some point. I'm not sure I should expect to making that call halfway through a curb-stomping. As for what I've actually done in the intervening months besides get a gun, read a bunch of articles, and practice shooting: I coordinated with other employees and we now park in the same lot and leave together after work, every night, with no exceptions. We finally convinced management that we needed real security instead of mall cops that leave as soon as the clock hit midnight, and now we do as of about three weeks ago and they walk with us too; they pack either tazers or pistols. So, we finally got that shit done. I'm really not that worried anymore but I still carry because something really insane might happen. I don't know if you've carried, but a gun is heavy. Not like, 26 oz loaded, but heavy. The weight of the world sits in that holster. It's not something I consider trivial by any means and I aim not to use it, hopefully ever, for its intended purpose. My enthusiasm for firearms and my decision to carry--and the maintenance of that decision long after the initial fear has passed--are not to be interpreted as 'trigger-happiness'.
  4. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    I got some good feedback and then I got a bunch of people accusing me of saying shit I wasn't saying, doing shit I'm not doing, etc.
  5. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    The reason it's classist is because you (and others) are condescending to me as though this obvious solution has not occurred to me, and that I am not actively working on it by taking on more hours, cutting spending, going up for a promotion, throwing as much money into the debt pile as I can, etc. I should move out of the dangerous place? No shit, Sherlock.
  6. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    I'm just quoting myself where I say all of the things I am purported not to be saying apparently.
  7. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    You're just so fucking stupid it's hard to pin down whether I even want to defend myself from your shitty George Zimmerman comparison or try to parse the logic of letting yourself get beat up because you just KNOW that the people who don't respect your bodily integrity and attacked you unprovoked are good people deep down and won't cripple, maim, or kill you because reasons. The incident that triggered all of this wasn't because aggressive people specifically followed me to my vehicle, it was because I'm scared of kids in hoodies in the general path of normal transit. Clearly. I wrote enough words in this thread, try to actually understand sentences I use and what order they occur in and the contexts established by all the other words that have relationships with those words and concepts before twisting them or putting extra ones in my mouth. That goes for all you assholes who think anything like the above. Many of you didn't read what I said. You got halfway through a given paragraph and assume I said what you think I said, rather than what was actually written. That's why I've had to repeat myself so many fucking times and frankly I'm done doing it. Stop projecting.
  8. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    oh cool this thread got more useless stupid posts. I have to remember that most of the people that post here are bourgeois children with the hardness of talcum powder and extremely poor reading comprehension. Can't claim I'm cool enough to brush off this frustration though. Rereading this thread and these new comments, well, the failures of our public schooling systems could be less apparent, but it'd be hard. So, I suppose I do care enough about the opinions of Internet strangers, since I started this thread seeking advice, after all--so here's an update: things are going better now that I've put a big enough dent in my debt to make monthly payments manageable and I can save money for the future again. it's almost like the intersections of health, socioeconomics, and crime were relevant the whole time. wow. really makes you think.
  9. Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

    Eh, I overestimate people a lot. Between the binary choice of rotten or fresh, sure, I'd rate it fresh. It's not good and it's not better than the OT, though. I feel like people who don't know how to watch movies say that. A lot of movies they rate rotten are fine. I hate that because it's a Star Wars movie I'm going to be having these conversations many many many more times throughout my life. Just like how the prequels suck. Kind of like Harry Potter, my feelings will end up being READ ANOTHER BOOK.
  10. Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

    Finally watched it today. Movie was fun to watch but was a narrative disaster. I don't think it'll hold up well. Worth the price of admission for the jokes (there isn't a BB-8 joke I haven't liked) and some amazing visuals (and Adam Driver, his acting was excellent despite the movie being kind of a clusterfuck, might count under visuals too ) and tight action, but I'm not going to see it again any time soon without a good reason. Much better than Jurassic World, if that helps set a benchmark. Hard to call it good, but wasn't offensively bad despite my like for the original trilogy and dislike for the prequels. My buddy who is deep deep into SW and always has been believes SW is over, agreeing with Red Letter Media's conclusion that continuation of the franchise is Disney humping a reanimated corpse. I feel like a big plot point was better suited to a show like Battlestar Galactica, but there are so many plots you can forget about it most of the time. Hell, you can forget about most of the characters most of the time. (complete non sequitur: Watching the trailer for the JW sequel was shocking, as even the basic premise is completely retarded in-universe--weirdly it might be a better movie than the first JW if you pretend you didn't see JW and don't know what Jurassic Park is. This is talking about a franchise in which genetically engineered dinosaur clones kill everyone because the company running the dinosaur zoo was incompetent. It wants to be TLW but with less ecoterrorism (god I hate that movie, the hunters and mercs were the heroes), which is a good thing). Back to SW 8: I agree with most of the criticisms you're gonna hear or have heard regarding TLJ as a SW movie, TLJ as the sequel to TFA, and TLJ as a standalone movie. I understand why superfans would be pissed, why general audiences wouldn't care, and why film critics would have mixed feelings leaning towards the negative. It's kind of like every other unwanted Disney sequel, lol. You can find a compilation of Mark Hamill's comments on the movie on YouTube and it's pretty damn funny. Overall it was better than I expected. If you expected it to answer many of the questions raised in TFA, don't.
  11. are you all gay?

    depends on who's paying
  12. Flaws of Goat Format. What would you change about it?

    I think Graceful is stronger than Pot. Pot's an auto +1, but Graceful lets you see one more option, and gives you a chance to set up another option immediately or later (BLS, Premature/Call/FLIPs for Night Assailant) via its discard. As happy as I am to see Pot, like you said, Graceful helps you dig for answers. If I'm winning, I don't need Pot, if I'm losing, I'd rather see Graceful. In MtG if I was a blue player, multiple Graceful activations would be pretty great (Ponder and Preordain got banned pretty quick, effects closer to Graceful in literal execution were great). The right cards are more important than any immediate +1, +2 off a single card (multiple activations); the option-diminishing aspect of Duo is what makes it so cruel. A random -1, -2 off a single card is horrible.
  13. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    This is good advice. I bought a pistol a few weeks back and made two 'range' trips before taking my CCDW exam last weekend. I bought a bunch of cheap ass steel-cased Tula ammo for the very reason you mention. It's dirty but the Shield doesn't care. I've shot guns off and on my whole life, but that's no substitute for knowing your specific weapon, not even the platform, but the weapon. It doesn't matter how many other Shields I've shot, I have to know mine. I've gotten over choking up on the trigger so the plastic trigger safety hinge no longer throws off my first shot. I don't commit most of the common shooter errors [milking, limp-wristing, etc.] so that's speeding things up a bit. My grip and stance (Weaver) are pretty well rehearsed. I won't say I'm familiar with the firearm until I've put about 500 rounds through it, and I've put about 200 through. Can field strip it, clean it, lubricate it, and reassemble it with no problems. I'm making progress, and I think it'll work for me in a defensive situation right now. No manual safety and the slide doesn't like to close without chambering a round so those two factors are things I don't have to fool with, carrying condition 0. My friends are shooters and own land so setting up a shooting day on a random weekend has been easy so far. They've been really helpful and it's not like it's hard to ask a Kentuckian to go shoot, lol. Back to your very good point: I'll continue practicing because I simply enjoy shooting so there's no lack of motivation there. After I get through my 500, at least two trips a month. No sense in going through this trouble if I'm going to let my skill atrophy. Need to find a local indoor range and gun club so I can keep this up through winter. I'm also infodumping as I'm going so forgive the redundancy, I figure you know all that stuff but everyone doesn't. As for where I'm at in the process: passed exam Saturday 9th with flying colors (not that it's hard) and am waiting for all the paperwork BS to get done, which should take no more than two weeks. The instructor didn't send our stuff in until Friday. I signed up for digital application so I wouldn't have to wait "up to 60 days" for the paper ones to get processed. Calling state police tomorrow to make sure our test results are in the system, and if so, going to the county Sheriff's office to get all that going. In the meantime I've been dry-firing the shit out of it so I don't lose my ability to pull the trigger without moving the frame. It's striker-fired so dry-firing doesn't hurt it; wouldn't be doing it with a CZ-75. Hornady Critical Defense hollowpoints were recommended by my instructor. JHP is good for not overpenetrating, but this specific round is able to pierce heavy clothing before expanding thanks to the polymer filler in the nose's hollow. So I'm going with that as a defense load. They're relatively expensive, so I'm gonna practice with 25 of them and keep the other 25 for carry until I can buy more. With shitty CCI Brass and Tula loads it still gets 1" groups at 7 yards, so I'm confident in its accuracy and ease of getting on target. It's a natural pointer, fits the hand like a glove. Had to lube the shit out of the slide though so it didn't take Herculean strength to rack or takedown. As for disabling, yeah, you have to aim for center mass, as people will only go down with a direct hit to the central nervous system or direct hit to major organ. Mechanism of death from gunshot wounds more often than not is from blood loss, and it takes longer than you would like for someone to bleed out. Hopefully a hit elsewhere will convince someone you aren't worth the trouble anymore. Aim to kill. Shoot to stop. The area I'm most green in is drawing from a holster. I'm used to just pulling a firearm out from its case and going to town. I've decided I want to go with appendix carry, but I haven't picked a particular model yet. Once I do, I'll be practicing that intensely (it's good that this vital skill can be learned at home with your shades drawn). Whatever I pick will protect the trigger, and I'm thinking of using rubber trigger guards as well, but I don't know how counterproductive that is to condition 0 carry. Anything is better than a negligent discharge, but... Also ruled out shoulder holsters, ankle holsters, [these two suuuuck] and IWB holsters that sit on your ass [these are fine but I imagine uncomfortable]. Appendix lets me sit comfortably and also draw from my front.
  14. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    Greeting people is always a good idea IMO, it gives you a lot of useful information. As for slowing down to engage shady people beyond that, naw, you need that distance the time you don't spend there gives you. No one is trying to make friends downtown at 12AM. Ignoring them initially just slows down the rate at which you acquire information. The immediate aftermath paranoia has given way. Now, with my situational awareness, improved knowledge of de-escalation and escape techniques, and additional training in the lawful carry of a firearm for the defense of self or others in imminent threat of serious harm, I feel well prepared to deal with the problem before me while I work on solving other problems relevant to that one. I don't live an 'unfortunate life', people in Guatemala live an unfortunate life. I'm American poor, which just means that much of my existence is incomprehensible to people who are of a higher socioeconomic class than that and always have been. I face generally more problems, which are also more severe than and are different from the problems they do. I had a fucked up past which has given me psychic injury, but again trailer trash child abuse fucked up, not victim of war fucked up, and I am now receiving adequate care in at least that dimension. Medicaid does a lot of things right. I'm still LOLing at posters saying shit like "why not move to a wealthier state or country?"; cost of living is very relevant. Might as well let me eat cake too. After all, Americans are merely temporarily embarrassed millionaires, to paraphrase Steinbeck.
  15. Almost got jumped; buying a gun.

    Atypical depression caused by a fucked up life, that is now effectively treated by neurotransmitter substitutes, is totally why I don't deserve my second amendment rights. Bad things happened to you because you were too weak to stop them and it hurt you, but fuck you for claiming the bare minimum means of power to defend oneself. Fuck you stigmatizing mental illness. I'm not violent and I don't live in another dimension so what the fuck is it to you if I don't make enough dopamine or norephinephrine on my own? I'm not schizophrenic, I don't suffer psychosis. Unlike the general population I actually KNOW what's going on in my head because I take care of my mental health. When I speak of the dangers of 'mentally ill' people it's those who are violent, delusional, and untreated. Left untreated, I'm constantly sad and anxious, and that's about it. My life sucks without help but I'm no danger to myself or others. Otherwise I'd be deemed incompetent by the state and would not have passed my NICS background check. Qualified for my CCDW, btw. Missed no shots at 7 yards. 100% range accuracy translates to 50% combat accuracy, says veteran police officer of 31 years who taught the course. My other classmates were two middle aged white women (one with an EPO on a violent ex) and a middle aged black woman. Considering moving because I'm poor not retarded; that however is a process that also takes resources. Men don't have reason to fear sexual assault? @Jazz You're flat wrong. (but statistics and rape culture!) yes, those magic words will prevent all rape I might risk. I've been assaulted so I'm biased, just not randomly on the street by a stranger, so yeah it's probably unlikely for that to be a consequence of an altercation I would have in this circumstance. Yes, the first event is the one that matters and yes I came to the same conclusion regarding threat level. I already park as close as possible and move as fast as possible--a block away at most. I also called the police as soon as I got home. That is not the extent to all of what I should do. Someone, somewhere will have to work this job even if I leave, so pretend, if you will, that I personally do not exist but that this situation does as a constant. Some arguments may make more sense if the context is more important than the individual. Here's a weird thing to me: the odds of being assaulted go down or up based on location; but they never equal zero, so no one is justified in owning a personal defense weapon? It's always middle class and upper middle class people who have never been in real danger who think no one should have guns. No bad things ever happen once you do the white flight thing and make it to the 'burbs. As for Sam Harris comment, if the wrong person says the right thing, fuck it totally right? Sorry I didn't link to someone on your reading list. @mmf I post weird shit because I'm weird and my life is weird; approaching normalcy is the goal, however, whatever that means--I assume it means lower overall existential risk. @Sophocles Yeah, I'm just trying to give myself a fighting chance in case I can't get away. Going from 100% chance of dying to 99% chance of dying is still worth effort. @Malcolm I'm also no longer considering carrying an arsenal on me. The pistol I purchased will do just fine. Everything else is either overdoing it or underdoing it. I've been doing some more self-defense training but of course the emphasis is distraction and escape. I'm not trying to be Bruce Lee. Also working on making money so all my problems go away. Just paid off the debt I incurred off car repairs. Now I can focus more on my medical bills and credit card debt. If I was doing "privileged comment" BINGO I might have it by now. We've reached the point ITT where I'm not seeking advice but giving it.
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