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Still deciding if I should rewatch this or watch Isle of Dogs? The later would be the logic thing to do but I had so much fun watching this movie... Edit: Glad I went with Isle of Dogs because it was pretty spectucular. Not that Avengers is bad. Far from it.

I feel like a kid watching these things. You win Marvel. Take my money.

... and the world is shit and nothing really matters and we're all going to die.

I think Marvel has reached a level where they just can't make a bad movie. That comes with a price though because they're not taking risks and so the odds of them making something truly memorable are thin.

Far from flawless but really enjoyable.

This topic is turning pretty bitter and cynical... Don't forget escapism is an integral part of cinema. If you can't appreciate spending 2 hours away from life immersed in a fantasy maybe you shouldn't be watching these films in the first place. The fact that you do keep watching and feel so strongly about them tells me you do enjoy the experience.

New ground? That's exactly the point of Empire and Revenge. How is this new ground? I agree that the lightsaber fights in the prequels were dance-like but at least to me there's some enjoyment in watching those set pieces. I do prefer these to the lightsaber fights in the original trilogy which by comparison were so incredibly clumsy and ugly that it almost begs to mind if those people actually knew how to yield swords. The new lightsaber fights on the other hand are exactly what I want to see as it actually feels like they're holding something dangerous and powerful.

This movie was basically the same as Empire and a bit of Return (MC gets Jedi training from a recluse master and then confronts the bad guy while still trying to turn him; side characters try to infiltrate the enemy ship without success; ends in a bleak yet somewhat hopeful tone). I really don't see how this "turned plot conventions on their head". Besides, because the side plots fill so much of the movie while constantly undercutting the main story (Rey + Luke + Kylo), it's pretty impossible to ignore them in the overall experience of watching the movie. The Finn + Rose plot is inexcusable in it's pointlessness (they add exactly 0 to the plot while severely damaging it). I've seen the movie twice and I think it's ok but I definitely don't agree with most of the arguments I've seen from people trying to defend it.

Agreed. John Williams really outdid himself with Duel of the Fates.

Both have amazing lightsaber fights though...

You can be ambivalent. I am.

The Force Awakens was so simple and clean that this felt even more convoluted than it actually was (though it was indeed convoluted).

I don't think this is nowhere nearly as problematic as many make it out to be. It's formulaic and bland but that's most superhero films these days. The thing about copying the Marvel formula is that because they can't do it like Marvel, it exposes the weaknesses that people are usually willing to overlook. Because I tend not to, I guess I didn't find this to be terrible. But yeah, DC needs to rethink their approach. I really liked Wonder Woman but the character and the actress are both so fresh and charismatic that those 2 factors alone are almost enough to carry a (the) movie. The movie was charming and innovative by virtue of the circumstances (WW1 movie about a female super-hero) and I'm pretty sure future movies will have a hard time coming up with such a unique set of characteristics. On an individual basis, I prefer the Justice League characters to the Avengers so it's kinda disappointing that DC isn't able to capitalize on that. I guess benching Zack Snyder as head of the DCU is a good start. On a side note, the superhero movie release calendar until 2020 is insane. Saying fatigue is starting to cripple into the public is an understatement.

That was my initial thought. It's my understanding that the series includes the last 2 movies and I didn't care all that much for neither, however, I've been seeing a lot of people really excited about the show so I'm considering. DBZ was my life growing up so I know I'll either love or hate it. I've seen HxH. OP feels like too much of an endeavor. I mean 1000 episodes? That's crazy.