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What's better than a Gideon on curve? A Gideon on Turn 3.

 

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... which is already possible with a servant go the conduit on 2.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm excited for this card, it'll sometimes do just that, it'll sometime's be a thalias lt that doesn't block.   I think what's more important than the dream scenarios is you get the utility that it's decent early and late game.

 

GW Humans is already playable at the moment and I'd be surprised if this didn't mean GW tokens was coming back especially since they have vehicles to benefit from now as well.

 

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Scenario:

t1: Thraben

t2: Heart of kiran, attack with thraben for 1  - (19 life) (2 lands 2 creatures)

t3: Nissa, tick up for plant, tick down to animate kiran and swing with thraben + kiran - (14 life) (3 lands, 1 planeswalker, 3 creatures, can tick down nissa to protect nissa with kiran following turn or chump block with plant)

t4: Gideon, make knight.  tick down gideon, animate kiran.  tick up nissa, plant.  attack with thraben + kiran  - (9 life) (4 lands, 2 planeswalkers, potential of 5 creatures, and still with the ability to protect the planeswalkers)

 

It really seems as though there is some potential here.  You can replace thraben with toolcraft exemplar, heart with either copter or oath of ajani, and you achieve many different positive board states.

 

The biggest reason why GW tokens died out last format was because the only flier GW had to block opposing fliers was Archangel Avacyn.  Spell queller and smuggler's copter introduced some real threats into the metagame that threatened planeswalkers.  Having smuggler's copter of our own OR heart of kiran allows the deck to have some fliers early on to fill both roles, aggression and protecting the walkers.  The manabase for a GW deck is not super complicated, the GW colors has large card quality.

 

Call me crazy, but i think this could be a real thing.  Either that, or I really just want to try and force GW, which is also a possiblity.  Hopefully there will be more tools in Aether revolt that allow this deck to be a real contender.

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I think that's definitely a real deck. Heart of Kiran into a Planeswalker is just stupid.

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My biggest concern with this type of strategy are emrakul + K-return decks.  having the board swept, then our turn taken from us is not a fun scenario to be in.  Maybe something like sigarda could prevent emrakul cast triggers?

 

also, I don't know what the removal suite would look like.  Stasis snare seems great, that three mana cmc is costly thought because this type of deck wants to keep deploying things on its own turn.  Dec in stone is also a decent removal spell.

 

Side note, something like Tireless tracker could allow GW games to go long.  We have Gisela and bruna, avacyn, sylvan advocates, servant, lambolt pacifist...There are so many cards that could fit into a 75 in these colors, we'd have to figure out exactly which ones are necessary vs which ones aren't.  I'll be going into the tank beginning of January to test this type of strategy.  I'm planning on going to the SCG open in richmond at the end of January, so hopefully we will know if something like this is viable by then.  My guess is that it won't be, but it won't stop people from trying.

 

I really liked the previous GW deck, would love to go back to playing it again.  I know @Darthflaw doesn't want GW mirrors to be a thing again, and I agree with him by the fact of that format not being the healthiest in the world.

 

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Just pre-ordered the stuff for this deck.

 

4 Glint-Nest Crane


4 Aetherflux Reservoir

4 Bone Saw

4 Cathar's Shield

1 Implement of Examination

1 Ornithopter

1 Prophetic Prism

4 Renegade Map

 

4 Anticipate

4 Metallic Rebuke
4 Paradoxical Outcome

2 Reverse Engineer

4 Whir of Invention


19 Island

 

I'm still messing with the numbers and Baral's Expertise (it can return your own stuff, or a combination), but I think this has the potential to be really strong. With a good hand you can win on turn 4, you have some game one interaction with Crane and Rebuke, and any midrange matchup seems incredibly easy.

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Want to pick up Magic and go ass deep into it. 

 

good place to start?

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23 minutes ago, iSlickz said:

Want to pick up Magic and go ass deep into it. 

 

good place to start?

Despite prices likely being higher than now, I would wait to buy in until about a week after the pro tour. You can pick up an optimized deck, and prices will have somewhat stabilized.

 

what kind of budget do you have?

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for players it's currently a great time to get into standard, because prices are depressed by the "lottery tickets" they print every set now, and high print runs.

 

If you want to be very competitive, you have to focus on standard and sealed deck formats. If you need to play modern for an rptq or GP or something, pick up a deck like Ad Naseum (cheap, easy to play at a basic level, can spike tournaments).

 

Stay away from the frontier "format" even for fun; it currently has no sustainability.

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9 minutes ago, Gojira said:

for players it's currently a great time to get into standard, because prices are depressed by the "lottery tickets" they print every set now, and high print runs.

 

If you want to be very competitive, you have to focus on standard and sealed deck formats. If you need to play modern for an rptq or GP or something, pick up a deck like Ad Naseum (cheap, easy to play at a basic level, can spike tournaments).

 

Stay away from the frontier "format" even for fun; it currently has no sustainability.

I have about a $100-$150 a month budget I wouldn't mind parting with. 

 

Are there any good articles i can read, forums I can read, online etc to get knowledge of card base and mechanics? 

 

There's a pretty big FNM in my area too.  

 

I would eventually want to attend large events, so im assuming constructed would be best for me to start with?

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like how are tournaments and formats and stuff like that

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There's no good forums that I know of; high-level information is dominated by sponsored writers. Channelfireball and magic.tcgplayer.com are the best free article sites. Starcitygames has articles you have to pay for, but it's a fairly high cost that probably isn't worth it - if you're going to a lot of tournaments you'll be picking up free access through codes.

 

There's 2 tournament formats you want to focus on:

 

Standard: currently 6 sets make up the card pool.

 

And sealed: 6 packs of current sets to build a limited deck. The top cut of these tournaments will be draft,but obviously the majority of matches will be sealed, so it's actually more important.

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Standard has the most tournaments that matter, people seem to enjoy modern the most but the barrier to entry is high, and limited is a good way to slowly amass a collection and not have to buy in to compete. 

 

Legacy is the format you play when you want to burn through your tax refund.

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23 minutes ago, Audioslayne said:

Standard has the most tournaments that matter, people seem to enjoy modern the most but the barrier to entry is high, and limited is a good way to slowly amass a collection and not have to buy in to compete.

 

arguable, modern is one of those you either hate it or love it formats. And from what I understand almost all pros loathe the format

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On 1/26/2017 at 7:18 PM, Gemstone Mine said:

 

arguable, modern is one of those you either hate it or love it formats. And from what I understand almost all pros loathe the format

You're not wrong.  The pro players stance is usually slightly far removed from even just the slight grinder, and modern has steadily been getting better. 

 

The main grievance pros had with it is that there's too much to prepare for and too much variance in matchups.  Anything can and will show up and it makes picking a deck harder than it should be.   That being said the general allure is it's a "You can play what you want, just know it really well" format which most people find attractive.

 

Either way it's no longer a PT format and the PPTQ's for it are relatively few and far between so it's a format I'd only pick up if you plan on grinding SCG/GP's or if your local scene is thriving.

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