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Ynusgridorh    142

Guys,

How many of you can use this link? http://www.duelingnetwork.com/dn_without_images.swf?card_image_base=http://www.xtevenschannel.com/images/card-pics/

And how many can use this one? http://www.duelingnetwork.com/dn_without_images.swf?v=29

 

I know some peole can still play with pictures, some can only play without pictures and some can't even log on DN anymore.

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+Mascis    4563

hit me up on AIM if u want to duel via IM my SN is 1cH3t$0wAt1w1n

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foofatron    39
1 hour ago, DukeLukewarm said:

YGOPro got the axe now as well for anyone who considered that option.

I guess konami is going to try to release a pc game... Not very hopeful based on their previous games. Not sure if it was pc or ipad but last one I played was basically fremium trash. They started you off with a deck full of normal monsters, and not cool ones like Gene-Warped Warwolf, but instead low level throwaways. The first ai I faced used a deck of even weaker monsters... It was impossible to lose. I didn't even want to think about how long it would take to build a playable deck and never touched it again.

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Me.    57
15 minutes ago, foofatron said:

I guess konami is going to try to release a pc game... Not very hopeful based on their previous games. Not sure if it was pc or ipad but last one I played was basically fremium trash. They started you off with a deck full of normal monsters, and not cool ones like Gene-Warped Warwolf, but instead low level throwaways. The first ai I faced used a deck of even weaker monsters... It was impossible to lose. I didn't even want to think about how long it would take to build a playable deck and never touched it again.

Pretty much how every yugioh video game ever was (from my limited experience of playing maybe at most 4).

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Shark Toilet    10
32 minutes ago, Me. said:

Pretty much how every yugioh video game ever was (from my limited experience of playing maybe at most 4).

The GBA/DS World Championship games gave decent-ish starter decks or gave you easy access to new cards (2011 gave you nice things like Chiron, Ryko and Zaborg, Eternal Duelist Soul and its ilk had a password system that just gave you a copy of the card you inserted, no questions asked, and so forth), while Duelists of the Roses gave you different and functional starter decks, like a Zombie-type deck with access to Pumpking (breaking the game in half) and also had a "1 copy, no questions asked"-password system, meaning you could break the game further with Mirror Wall and other cards.

In retrospect, the normal games aren't that bad; most of it just depends on knowing how to get the cards or making due till you can access the better ones.

 

Freemium games are a different matter entirely.

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So just saw this on Lithium2300's channel should we go back to the good old days of Joey the Passion on Hamachi servers or what? 

 

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JoJoToast    0

YGOPRO isn't dead, Percy just had to remove the DL link, unless further action is taken, Percy can just move the DL link somewhere else, the servers are still up and there are other YGOPRO sims.

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dexer008    805

I don't really understand why Konami or whoever is doing this, effectively wants to do this. These online programs are basically the only source for some players to keep in the game, due to location reasons, no players nearby etc. They also take away hype from their future products if you can't test the cards, so it just seems not beneficial at all, trying to monopolize online yugioh systems just doesn't work as we've seen in the past.  

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Ynusgridorh    142
46 minutes ago, dexer008 said:

I don't really understand why Konami or whoever is doing this, effectively wants to do this. These online programs are basically the only source for some players to keep in the game, due to location reasons, no players nearby etc. They also take away hype from their future products if you can't test the cards, so it just seems not beneficial at all, trying to monopolize online yugioh systems just doesn't work as we've seen in the past.  

I'm sure Konami is aware of that. That's why they've been allowing DN to exist for years.

Whatever that other company is, they might not even be directly involved with Yugioh and therefore just don't give a fuck.

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dexer008    805

Apparently the other company is in charge of the Anime production, so I heard, haven't looked up NAS, but then that makes even less sense why they want to take away these programs away. Are they hoping we will in the future buy cards from supposedly anime effects when they are previewed or showcased on the show? This game is run by young adults, not children as they keep trying to lie to themselves with, this maybe, maybe, be the turning point people stop playing this game and eventually dwindles to nothing.

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»ACP    33422

@dexer008 is right. The whole thing makes no sense. Ok maybe for a few months we won't have a decent sim to play on. But something else will just pop up.

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Kahu    2419

NAS isn't just some random-ass anime production company. It's the fucking rights management company for the entire franchise. If Konami's the one with the game licenses, NAS is probably the one who GAVE them said licenses in the first place under Shueisha's consent. NAS's role is basically resource management and distribution, and as far as the chain of command goes they're PROBABLY the guys right under Shueisha and Kaz.

They're more involved with YGO than Konami's ever been, tbh. I mean fuck, these guys were on the production committee for the series back when it was still in the hands of Toei and Bandai. All things considered, the fact that they decided to reboot the franchise after the Toei/Bandai version didn't do so well means they're essentially the entire reason we even have a franchise. >_>;;

If they're involved it means they're more serious than they've ever been. Honestly wouldn't try making a sim with them being like this.

That having been said, the idea seems to be to go nuclear on the sims and try to bolster their own product sales. I mean, as much as DN and YGOPro let people in more difficult locations get a chance to experience the game, it also kinda lets people just not pay for the game at all and pirate a good chunk of the experience of physical card playing.

And tbh, there are a lot of super casuals or would-be players who just don't buy cards under the logic of "Why should I buy cards when I have this free to play experience? You're fucking stupid if you pay." Which...makes for an interesting dilemma in terms of consumption. Especially in Japan, which...to be honest has a bigger TCG scene than most of the western world.

Sure, it's fucking stupid from an advertising perspective if you consider that the anime and other marketing streams are fucking dead in most of the world, but on the other hand relying on a third party that you can't control that promotes freebooting isn't exactly a good business strategy when it comes to getting investment or distributing the show and manga. Even moreso when some of your primary business outlets revolve around anime franchising and yet the west keeps sliding it under the rug.

Personally, I'm thinking this could be an attempt on Shueisha and NAS' part for streamlining the marketing engine + applying pressure. Show a display of power to investors so that people don't see this as a franchise that promots pirating, for one part, and for another? Keeping the TCG arms under their thumb. Without DN and YGOPro, Konami's TCG arm loses a considerable amount of its independent marketing power, which in turn should probably make them more susceptible to NAS and Shueisha orders for cross-promotion in the long run.

And tbh with what Shueisha's been pulling lately it kinda seems like they want to rework the entire business model to be more in-tandem with anime releases and whatnot.

Like, they managed to re-negotiate Kazama Shunsuke's contract for the first time in fifteen fucking years, just to release that new 3DS game in Japan. The original terms of the contract for Yugi's JP VA was that he wasn't allowed to pop up in anything that wasn't a movie or a television program. No commercials, no games. It's why you never see Yugi doing narration for a product advertisement.

They kept that going for 15 years and suddenly just dropped Kazama on us out of nowhere a few days back. If they're serious enough to pull that off when they haven't been giving a shit for over a decade, whatever they're planning for the long run doesn't seem to be something that should be taken lightly. They're playing hardball with the franchise. Not entirely surprised they're going nuclear.

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+Jazz    5405

I've heard people call NAS a shell company for Konami, but honestly I think it's the other way around. NAS using the legal muscle and Konami being the friendly face of the game that wouldn't dare take away their treasured player base's beloved simulators.

If you think Konami wasn't involved in this decision, directly or indirectly, I'd say you're naive to how the business world works. The aggressive nature of the back-to-back shut downs on both DN and YGOPRO is a gigantic red flag.

We can only hope that the DN crew made contingency plans for such an escalation after the first attack in April so that they aren't too far off from releasing a DN 2.0. Even a program version of DN would be excellent at this point, and fortunately there's not much companies can do to stop the spread of programs over the internet.

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»Pharaoh Atem    15772

The fact may well be that the DN crew might just not give a flying fuck about you all enough to bother with more things like this, especially if they now believe the companies take the existence of sims more seriously than they did before.

As for whether or not Konami's involved, the DN folks said they weren't, and I agree, but whether they are or aren't won't stop players' own suspicions from dictating their individual behaviors. I'm expecting someone to show up at the WCQ with a crate of rotten tomatoes for throwing, and if someone does make a physical disturbance like that, it'll possibly be my job to escort them off the premises.

There's also the matter of whether or not the DN-using section of the playerbase being part of the playerbase at all is good for the franchise or not. There is such a thing as just not wanting to deal with certain people, even if those people have money - and changing the landscape to make "players who don't buy sealed product either buy it or quit" stands to either increase sales of sealed product or just drive away players that did nothing to help the bottom line in any way the franchise cares about.

The end of third party sims not only helps the franchise's in-house programmed products avoid competition with free products, it also takes away a "try before you buy" option that gave a lot of people reason not to buy things.

They feel that the number of people who "only bought product because sims got them interested in ygo again" is lower than the amount of folks who "didn't buy product because why pay for RL when online is free". 

and it's their prerogative to follow their feelings, because the franchise is theirs, not ours.

 

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how did you guys just not assume you were violating some laws and it was only a matter of time that you'd be sent a c&d?

giving up now just sounds like a huge fucking waste lmao

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Me.    57
6 hours ago, Pharaoh Atem said:

They feel that the number of people who "only bought product because sims got them interested in ygo again" is lower than the amount of folks who "didn't buy product because why pay for RL when online is free". 
 

This also assumes that the latter group will now be willing to suddenly pay for RL when online is no longer available, which may be the assumption made but sounds a lot less plausible.

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Me.    57

I haven't tested actually playing with this myself, but saw the layout and system used by watching a replay and it's manual like dn except with no admins, no ladder and worst graphics:
http://m.tradecardsonline.com/

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»ACP    33422

There are a million ways to play online yugioh if you really want to. You could even take another card game sim (like cockatrice) and add all of the Yugioh card texts and images.

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LoveofWisdom    18
1 hour ago, Me. said:

I haven't tested actually playing with this myself, but saw the layout and system used by watching a replay and it's manual like dn except with no admins, no ladder and worst graphics:
http://m.tradecardsonline.com/

I just tried the site. i think its pretty cool, it just takes a bit more time to finish games, one of the problems was not being able to see the opponent graveyard or face up cards in extra deck, so you would have to take notes on that. i think goat format games can go faster on there because of less mechanics. 

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Ynusgridorh    142
3 hours ago, LoveofWisdom said:

I just tried the site. i think its pretty cool, it just takes a bit more time to finish games, one of the problems was not being able to see the opponent graveyard or face up cards in extra deck, so you would have to take notes on that. i think goat format games can go faster on there because of less mechanics. 

I haven't tried the site but not being able to see the opponent's graveyard sounds super inconvenient.

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Ynusgridorh    142
4 hours ago, ACP said:

There are a million ways to play online yugioh if you really want to. You could even take another card game sim (like cockatrice) and add all of the Yugioh card texts and images.

Could you do that? Maybe add only cards for retro formats so they don't bust your balls.

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»ACP    33422
1 hour ago, Ynusgridorh said:

Could you do that? Maybe add only cards for retro formats so they don't bust your balls.

Yeah, it's not at all difficult, just time consuming. The mechanics have some different wording (tap and untap is offense/defense), but it would suit your purposes fine.

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