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+rei+    34443

Before linking individual guides remember one thing:

Be polite as fuck, be nice as you can, and to a degree be compliant with requests that do not lead to searches (if you dont want them searching you).

Anyway, guides for the US:

http://flexyourrights.org/faq

They kind of try and get you to buy shit but their faq is great anyway

Canada:

https://bccla.org/our_work/the-arrest-handbook-a-guide-to-your-rights/

Mostly from a BC perspective but almost all of it applies nationally

UK:

http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/privacy/index.html

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»orangeeyes    11863

just a few things I'm curious about that flexyourrights didn't clarify

1) a buddy of mine was caught with weed in the dorms. his weed stunk up the hallway and the cops came in and asked him where it was. he kept it in a safe, which he immediately opened up to turn over the weed. obviously there's nothing he can do about it now, but could he have gotten out of it by refusing to open the safe, saying he didn't know the combination, or saying it's his roommate's safe (which, in my experience here, wouldn't be searched if they believed it)

2) if I'm walking around sober with a soda/gatorade bottle with alcohol in it, can the cops force me to reveal the contents of the bottle? same goes with a backpack.

3) is there anyway to get around public intoxication? I left my roommate's frat party by myself on saturday pretty drunk but I wasn't belligerent or anything, only problem is I got severely lost and was walking around for like an hour. still, I don't think I was stumbling or anything, I just wanted to get home. if a cop pulled over and I asked him for directions/a ride and he asks to breathalyze me, is there anything I can do or say?

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+rei+    34443

1) a buddy of mine was caught with weed in the dorms. his weed stunk up the hallway and the cops came in and asked him where it was. he kept it in a safe, which he immediately opened up to turn over the weed. obviously there's nothing he can do about it now, but could he have gotten out of it by refusing to open the safe, saying he didn't know the combination, or saying it's his roommate's safe (which, in my experience here, wouldn't be searched if they believed it)

Demand warrant.

dorms are w eird that way in that they'll do everything they can to hide that cops usually need a warrant despite being in, well, a Dorm. I'm not 100% on this, I'd talk to a lawyer for how it works.

2) if I'm walking around sober with a soda/gatorade bottle with alcohol in it, can the cops force me to reveal the contents of the bottle? same goes with a backpack.

Only if you're being detained or arrested. So generally, no, they cannot.

3) is there anyway to get around public intoxication? I left my roommate's frat party by myself on saturday pretty drunk but I wasn't belligerent or anything, only problem is I got severely lost and was walking around for like an hour. still, I don't think I was stumbling or anything, I just wanted to get home. if a cop pulled over and I asked him for directions/a ride and he asks to breathalyze me, is there anything I can do or say?

You weren't driving, so you can refuse to take the breathalyzer.

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+rei+    34443

FYR has this on dorms

College students suffer from an unfortunate lack of privacy rights in many situations. Dorms are the property of the university, thus school officials and campus police tend to feel a sense of entitlement with regards to entering student housing.

The rental agreement for your dorm room should specify when school officials may and may not enter, so make sure you're familiar with the terms of your lease and keep a copy on hand. In many cases, student housing affords less privacy protection than a standard rental agreement, so be mindful of the potential for random inspections and other intrusions that are common on college campuses.

Campus policies are written and enforced differently from one school to the next, so it's wise to familiarize yourself with the rules and the people who enforce them. Although the campus environment may reduce individual privacy, it provides great opportunities to get to know school officials and security staff. Building good relationships with the people around you is the best strategy for preventing problems before they occur.

Regardless of the specific policies and practices at your school, there's generally no harm in attempting to protect your privacy by politely refusing searches and declining to incriminate yourself. We've heard many success stories from college students who asserted their rights, so remember that keeping calm and knowing the rules will help improve your odds of avoiding problems.

Finally, we've observed that marijuana smoking is the quickest and easiest way to get in trouble in your dorm. Many schools put significant resources into catching and punishing marijuana users on campus, often resulting in severe sanctions such as arrest, removal from the dorms, suspension, urine testing, fines, parental notification, etc.

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http://flexyourrights.org/faq/deal_with_police_on_the_street sums up your bottle of haterade scenario

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ZOMBOiD    58

In Canada, is smelling weed in a car reasonable grounds for a search? I've seen conflicting information on this.

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+rei+    34443

Probable cause includes anything that seems to suggest there may be drugs in the car. A single visible rolling paper is 100% of the time probable cause, so I'm going to say if you smell like pot you are probably going to be searched when driving.

Walking on the street it is NOT probable cause.

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1) a buddy of mine was caught with weed in the dorms. his weed stunk up the hallway and the cops came in and asked him where it was. he kept it in a safe, which he immediately opened up to turn over the weed. obviously there's nothing he can do about it now, but could he have gotten out of it by refusing to open the safe, saying he didn't know the combination, or saying it's his roommate's safe (which, in my experience here, wouldn't be searched if they believed it)

Demand warrant.

dorms are w eird that way in that they'll do everything they can to hide that cops usually need a warrant despite being in, well, a Dorm. I'm not 100% on this, I'd talk to a lawyer for how it works.

2) if I'm walking around sober with a soda/gatorade bottle with alcohol in it, can the cops force me to reveal the contents of the bottle? same goes with a backpack.

Only if you're being detained or arrested. So generally, no, they cannot.

3) is there anyway to get around public intoxication? I left my roommate's frat party by myself on saturday pretty drunk but I wasn't belligerent or anything, only problem is I got severely lost and was walking around for like an hour. still, I don't think I was stumbling or anything, I just wanted to get home. if a cop pulled over and I asked him for directions/a ride and he asks to breathalyze me, is there anything I can do or say?

You weren't driving, so you can refuse to take the breathalyzer.

For the first situation smelling weed from the hallway definitely counts as probable cause.

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+rei+    34443

I looked it up and generally they still need a warrant, however cops cheat it now by making noise, listening at the door, then rushing saying they assumed destruction of evidence, and have gotten away with that

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SSJ Grumpig    5618

For the first situation smelling weed from the hallway definitely counts as probable cause.

smell is only PC when out in public or in a vehicle (and not always, judges have ruled both for and against this, check state and local laws) but like rei said, the dorms belong to the university and good luck having them on your side

3) is there anyway to get around public intoxication? I left my roommate's frat party by myself on saturday pretty drunk but I wasn't belligerent or anything, only problem is I got severely lost and was walking around for like an hour. still, I don't think I was stumbling or anything, I just wanted to get home. if a cop pulled over and I asked him for directions/a ride and he asks to breathalyze me, is there anything I can do or say?

You weren't driving, so you can refuse to take the breathalyzer.

unfortunately they can still get you with this. you're under no obligation to take a breathalyzer (hell, in some places you can refuse even while driving but not without consequences), but they can still nail you based on training/experience. also, depending on where you are, fighting this can be a huge bitch even if you weren't intoxicated; depends on what they charge you with and what jurisdiction it falls under

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Animal    121

just a few things I'm curious about that flexyourrights didn't clarify

1) a buddy of mine was caught with weed in the dorms. his weed stunk up the hallway and the cops came in and asked him where it was. he kept it in a safe, which he immediately opened up to turn over the weed. obviously there's nothing he can do about it now, but could he have gotten out of it by refusing to open the safe, saying he didn't know the combination, or saying it's his roommate's safe (which, in my experience here, wouldn't be searched if they believed it)

2) if I'm walking around sober with a soda/gatorade bottle with alcohol in it, can the cops force me to reveal the contents of the bottle? same goes with a backpack.

3) is there anyway to get around public intoxication? I left my roommate's frat party by myself on saturday pretty drunk but I wasn't belligerent or anything, only problem is I got severely lost and was walking around for like an hour. still, I don't think I was stumbling or anything, I just wanted to get home. if a cop pulled over and I asked him for directions/a ride and he asks to breathalyze me, is there anything I can do or say?

1) Read the rules set by the University. In ours the University complies fully with the Law and we have no say when it comes to extreme suspicion. Your story is a little vague, was your friend singled out? If just asked randomly, "I don't know what you're talking about."

2) What rei said.

3) This is pretty hard to get around, just be nice and make it known you're being responsible by not driving and just trying to get home if it came down to it.

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+rei+    34443

Did you8 seriously post a "how to run from the cops" article?

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Spooderman    7231
got snatched up by the cops with a few friends for smoking in central park lol

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Honest    12

If a police officer asks you a question mentioned in this topic or the linked articles (such as, "you don't mind if I search your vehicle, do you?"), and you ask the cop if you are legally obligated to allow them (or legally obligated to show them the contents of the backpack, etc.), are they required to answer honestly?  If you aren't clear on your rights, and they get you to allow something by telling you that you're required to allow it, is resulting evidence admissible?

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+rei+    34443
They do not have to be honest with you

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»ACP    33392

They do not have to be honest with you

Sick pun bro.

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Mr Dragon    301

I legit entered this thread because I thought it said "Dealing with the pope" and thought there would be a funny story there, and instead got decent info.

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