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http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Michael-Jordan-siding-with-David-Stern-in-NBA-lockout-a-selfish-betrayal-110411
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As much as I hate this lock-out bullshit and I disagree with many of the owners motives for change, I do find myself leaning towards their proposed system. A much harder salary cap and the ability to with hold money from under performing players, should in theory create a league in which everyone is at a much more equal footing in terms of competing for the playoffs/championship and where players don't just sign their fat 5 year deals and then stop performing.
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Withholding money from under-performing players would cause more problems than it would solve.
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Big market cities are always going to dominate in basketball. Trying to equal the footing just makes it so that the big market cities will be forced to provide an inferior product to their larger fan base.
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Memphis had a good team.
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[quote name='orangeeyes' timestamp='1320609686' post='3024429']
Withholding money from under-performing players would cause more problems than it would solve.
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Just out of interest, how would it cause problems? Injuries etc. would of course have to be taken in to account, but surely it would motivate players to perform/stay in shape? I'm not talking about deciding on a month by month basis and altering pay accordingly, but extreme cases like Eddy Curry where over a course of 8-12 months/1-2 years a player is clearly not making the effort to perform and his contract is killing his team's chance to compete for multiple years, an issue which would become even worse should the owners get their way and a much more rigid salary cap be put in place.

I think you make a good point Caibre that this is a bad idea if it does really adversely effect the level of basketball in the big markets and I'll admit I hadn't thought of it like that, however my counter would be that if the owners of big market teams are also on board with these changes they clearly do not foresee this being a problem. I think mostly because top players will always be drawn to big markets due to the extra marketing dollars which are available in L.A./New York/Chicago etc., which would play an even greater role in free agent movement if player salaries do get reduced.
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[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/xcng5t.jpg[/img]


[img]http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/images/Cards/527.jpg[/img]

hopefully they reach an agreement today :/
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[img]http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/319675_10150983167870341_144917055340_22073141_1575992565_n.jpg[/img]
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A person familiar with the deal says NBA owners and players have reached a tentative agreement to end the lockout. The person spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity Saturday because the agreement has not yet been announced. After a secret meeting earlier this week, the sides met for more than 15 hours Friday, working to try to save the season. Under the deal, a 66-game season would begin on Christmas. This handshake deal still must be ratified by both owners and players.

This was from nba.com
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[quote name='Tyrion' timestamp='1320709280' post='3025194']
[quote name='orangeeyes' timestamp='1320609686' post='3024429']
Withholding money from under-performing players would cause more problems than it would solve.
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Just out of interest, how would it cause problems? Injuries etc. would of course have to be taken in to account, but surely it would motivate players to perform/stay in shape? I'm not talking about deciding on a month by month basis and altering pay accordingly, but extreme cases like Eddy Curry where over a course of 8-12 months/1-2 years a player is clearly not making the effort to perform and his contract is killing his team's chance to compete for multiple years, an issue which would become even worse should the owners get their way and a much more rigid salary cap be put in place.
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Who determines what is "underwhelming" for each player?

Also, its about time they start to get the lockout crap resolved. Granted, there is a LOT of money that'd be affected by the deal, it's taken a LONG time to compromise.
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well time for some metta world peace time
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sadly not but it's gonna be my first jersey since the time i bought my allan houston knicks and carmelo anthony nuggets jerseys in 2003
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dwight howard might go the nets

oh shit son
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Man i wanted the lakers to get cp3 and howard.

If magic would make that deal , i really dont know if theyll ever find a big guy like him from the ncaa for next years draft or 2 years after that. You cant find a guy like d howard easily. Though, i know theyll trade him unless they can talk to LA to trade them Bynum and Odom for him.

As for chris paul, i really hope he dont go to boston. I mean is boston really that stupid to trade rajon rando? I guess so. A guy who hustles, does not give up and is your best player on your team? And i thought the magic was stupid over a decade ago to trade shaq away.
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if dwight howard goes to the nets i'm moving to brooklyn

fuck queens
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Nets:
Brook Lopez
2 first rounders

For d. howard

Also they would take turko with his 3 yr contract.
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it's all about the grizzlies my niggas
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[quote name='let's get it on' timestamp='1308419618' post='2902276']
[img]http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2011/02/03/memphis-grizzlies-zach-rand_t300.jpg[/img]

[img]http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2011/04/15/MikeConley300x400_t300.jpg[/img]

[img]http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2010/04/05/6d1a_t300.jpeg[/img]

[img]http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2011/01/31/nbMagic5_t300.jpg[/img]

[img]http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2010/03/05/nbSuns5_t300.jpg[/img]
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boston fucked their shits up when they traded away perkins
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Yeah, whats funny was they wanted him back by offering rajon and greene for westbrook and him after the season LOL.
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Kobe, Howard, Paul
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Shane Baitter will sign with the Heat.
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knicks are getting close to getting grant hill

grant hill was one of my favorite players when growing up
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Knicks are getting close to signing Tyson Chandler, they're realy trying to lure CP3 in.
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