Wolfgang DelaSangre

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UPDATE: Found a solution to the shuffling problem, albeit one that really irks me: Mix up the cards yourself in the Deck Editor. NEVER allow cards to group together unless you're aiming to increase your chances of getting them. If you've noticed an increase in Duplicates and Triplicates in your openings lately, it's because DN's shuffler looks at the deck in its Editor state before shuffling, and then does a poor job of mixing the cards up so stuff remains clumped together.

Am considering dropping Pot of Avarice, but not sure what for. Once Galaxy Knight and Galaxy Expedition come out, though, they're all going in.

Monsters: 20
3x Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon
3x Photon Crusher
3x Photon Kaiser
3x Photon Lizard
3x Photon Sabre Tiger
2x Photon Cerberus
2x Photon Thrasher
1x Honest

Spells: 17
3x Gold Sarcophagus
3x Pot of Duality
2x Mystical Space Typhoon
2x Photon Sanctuary
2x Polymerization
1x Future Fusion
1x Galaxy Queen's Light
1x Heavy Storm
1x Monster Reborn
1x Pot of Avarice

Traps: 3
2x Solemn Warning
1x Solemn Judgment

Extra Deck: 15
2x Twin Photon Lizard
1x Constellar Omega
1x Gem-Knight Pearl
1x Heroic Champion - Excalibur
1x Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon
1x Number 17: Leviathan Dragon
1x Number 20: Giga-Brilliant
1x Number 30: Acid Golem of Destruction
1x Number 39: Utopia
1x Number 40: Gimmick Puppet - Heaven's Strings
1x Photon Papilloperative
1x Steelswarm Roach
1x Thunder End Dragon
1x Wind-Up Zenmaines
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I pay half my Life Points and Tribute Horakhty to Special Summon Pennington to this thread.
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Screw blaming the shuffling system for your problems. It's your bad and inconsistent deck.
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Well, that's not Pennington, but it will do.

No human can randomize a deck in 3 minutes as well as an algorithm can randomize said deck in 3 seconds. I would advise against bitching about shuffling, because goodness knows all the programs out there in this medium are able to shuffle a few fucktons better than any of us ever could, just by virtue of being programs.

Essentially, you getting bad hands is just the product of your focusing on hyper-anecdotal evidence and your getting a better randomization than any human could deliver.

Between RL and Program gameplay, which one's more likely to get a rigged or otherwise non-random result? RL, that's what.
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I still say the shuffling is bad. 90% of the time, I get hands of mostly Spells, and draw no monsters for several turns on end. In a deck with 21 monsters. Sorry, but that makes as much sense as a root canal on someone with no teeth.

And God forbid I get a Galaxy-Eyes in my hand.

I might should also mention that I'm more likely to get triplicate of a card that's useless by itself than I am to get one copy of a card that isn't. Like the triple Photon Sanctuary I got not five minutes ago.

Also, trying Future Fusion with Triple Gold Sarc. So far have drawn exactly none of those.
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You act like you're the only one who DN gives bad hands too with their "bad" shuffling algorithm. Gtfo.
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[quote name='Wolfgang DelaSangre' timestamp='1342246072' post='3231487']90% of the time, I get hands of mostly Spells, and draw no monsters for several turns on end. In a deck with 21 monsters.
[/quote]I'll bet you $1000 that in a sample size of 100 hands, less than 90 of them will consist of mostly spells. I don't know a lot about math and I lose bets pretty often around here, so you should probably take it.

Also, see this little flash object below?
<object width="320" height="240" data="http://d2fhka9tf2vaj2.cloudfront.net/tuts/059_QTRandom/Src/Random.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"><param name="src" value="http://d2fhka9tf2vaj2.cloudfront.net/tuts/059_QTRandom/Src/Random.swf" /></object>

Enter two numbers separated by a comma (in the form a,b). A random number is generated between a and b each time. Do you notice any kind of pattern? No? That's because it's random. And guess what... each flash program uses the exact same method of generating random numbers... and that includes Dueling Network.
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[quote name='Wolfgang DelaSangre' timestamp='1342246072' post='3231487']
I still say the shuffling is bad. 90% of the time, I get hands of mostly Spells, and draw no monsters for several turns on end. In a deck with 21 monsters. Sorry, but that makes as much sense as a root canal on someone with no teeth.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
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If I had more time, I'd pay more LP and show you more cognitive biases you're using.
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I'm aware of the fact that human brains are not (yet) built to understand probability. That said, I firmly believe probability to be a load of hogwash. Truly random particles do not exist. The ones we know about and suspect to exist have systems by which they operate. Without a system and without adherence to that system, reality as we know it would not exist. In fact, "reality" as a concept wouldn't exist.

No, this is a matter of DN's shuffling not wanting to give me a decent opening.

1) Mostly Spells does not help.

2) Only two monsters does not help (and should not be happening 4/5 of my duels in a 21 monster deck).

3) Having the means to summon Galaxy-Eyes but no Galaxy-Eyes does not help.

4) Not being able to do anything else with 3) does not help.

5) Triple Duality in my opening hand does not help. EVER.

6) Triple Sarc and Future Fusion are great. Not being able to draw them ever is not.

Every one of these things has happened. In every single duel, I will get some unfortunate combination of MOST of them that just makes it worse. I counted. You cannot tell me this is probability being a dick and convince me. This is a bad shuffle algorithm, and I came here asking for fixes to make the deck more compliant to said algorithm.

Any quick means of getting Galaxy-Eyes into my hand would be a good place to start. I had considered Draconnection, but I really don't want to turn this into a Hieratic Hybrid; I've already got one.

EDIT: So two things.

1) Just had an epic duel. With this deck. Somewhat modified, but it still worked out. First time it's ever actually done well, and it won. Plan to improve the Extra Deck. Utopia Ray will fit in nicely.

2) Three cards that will make this deck run much more smoothly have been announced for Duelist Pack: Kite, those being Photon Satellite (it changes its Level and another monster's Level to the sum of those Levels; so this plus Galaxy-Eyes equals Dyson Sphere), Galaxy Knight (Level 8, free summon if I have a Photon or Galaxy monster, and can revive Galaxy-Eyes) and Galaxy Expedition (brings out a Level 5 or higher Photon or Galaxy monster from my deck with the same Level as one on my field).
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oh my god am i really gonna be the first one to say it you're drawing badly because your deck is a piece of shit and your attitude is awful
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Your beliefs are irrelevant, mathematically and otherwise-reasonably unsound, and (most importantly) in your fucking way of actually solving your bad hand problem.

The way to win these games is not to build what one wants to build, but to build something prepared for as many possible eventualities that one's opponents present as one can.
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[quote name='Urthor' timestamp='1342245477' post='3231481']
Screw blaming the shuffling system for your problems. It's your bad and inconsistent deck.
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[quote name='dennis the menace frogman' timestamp='1342281749' post='3231733']
oh my god am i really gonna be the first one to say it you're drawing badly because your deck is a piece of shit and your attitude is awful
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Been there, done that.
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[quote name='Pharaoh Atem' timestamp='1342285260' post='3231764']
Your beliefs are irrelevant, mathematically and otherwise-reasonably unsound, and (most importantly) in your fucking way of actually solving your bad hand problem.

The way to win these games is not to build what one wants to build, but to build something prepared for as many possible eventualities that one's opponents present as one can.
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Which is sorta difficult when your deck consistently gives you hands of 4 Spells and 2 monsters, then no monsters at all until after you've lost, which is equally baffling when you're running 21 monsters. Modifying the deck hasn't really helped. Sorry, Atem, but there's simply no way you can convince me that random particles exist, which would ultimately prove the concept of probability. A coin flip isn't determined by chance, it's determined by physics. Same with rain. Same with cards. Even the same with digital cards. Schroedinger was actually mocking the maybe-dead-cat idea when he came up with it. The cat's dead. Definitely.

Truth be told, the "epic duel" I had was more of a survival contest against a Stall Burn deck. The only reason I didn't lose to Simochi was because I had Normal'd Cerberus and then was able to pull shenanigans for Neo Galaxy-Eyes. I later sacrificed that Neo for GEPD Classic and used it and my remaining Kaiser for Thunder End Dragon, comboing it with Wind-Up Zenmaines to get stuff out of my way.

Also, THAT deck had 50 cards.

Again, looking forward to these new cards since they'll make Photons easier to run. Beyond that, though, any suggestions for speeding the deck up or making it work with DN's shuffling system are welcome.
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[quote name='Wolfgang DelaSangre' timestamp='1342287207' post='3231785'][quote name='Pharaoh Atem' timestamp='1342285260' post='3231764']
Your beliefs are irrelevant, mathematically and otherwise-reasonably unsound, and (most importantly) in your fucking way of actually solving your bad hand problem.

The way to win these games is not to build what one wants to build, but to build something prepared for as many possible eventualities that one's opponents present as one can.
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Which is sorta difficult when your deck consistently gives you hands of 4 Spells and 2 monsters, then no monsters at all until after you've lost, which is equally baffling when you're running 21 monsters. Modifying the deck hasn't really helped. Sorry, Atem, but there's simply no way you can convince me that random particles exist, which would ultimately prove the concept of probability. A coin flip isn't determined by chance, it's determined by physics. Same with rain. Same with cards. Even the same with digital cards. Schroedinger was actually mocking the maybe-dead-cat idea when he came up with it. The cat's dead. Definitely.

Truth be told, the &quot;epic duel&quot; I had was more of a survival contest against a Stall Burn deck. The only reason I didn't lose to Simochi was because I had Normal'd Cerberus and then was able to pull shenanigans for Neo Galaxy-Eyes. I later sacrificed that Neo for GEPD Classic and used it and my remaining Kaiser for Thunder End Dragon, comboing it with Wind-Up Zenmaines to get stuff out of my way.

Also, THAT deck had 50 cards.

Again, looking forward to these new cards since they'll make Photons easier to run. Beyond that, though, any suggestions for speeding the deck up or making it work with DN's shuffling system are welcome.[/quote]

have you read thunder end dragon? =/
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So are you sure don't want to bet me $1000? Judging by your experiences ITT, there's no way you could possibility lose right? Since, you know, God appears to have rigged luck against you?
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[quote name='Wolfgang DelaSangre' timestamp='1342287207' post='3231785']
[quote name='Pharaoh Atem' timestamp='1342285260' post='3231764']
Your beliefs are irrelevant, mathematically and otherwise-reasonably unsound, and (most importantly) in your fucking way of actually solving your bad hand problem.

The way to win these games is not to build what one wants to build, but to build something prepared for as many possible eventualities that one's opponents present as one can.
[/quote]

Which is sorta difficult when your deck consistently gives you hands of 4 Spells and 2 monsters, then no monsters at all until after you've lost, which is equally baffling when you're running 21 monsters. Modifying the deck hasn't really helped. Sorry, Atem, but there's simply no way you can convince me that random particles exist, which would ultimately prove the concept of probability. A coin flip isn't determined by chance, it's determined by physics. Same with rain. Same with cards. Even the same with digital cards. Schroedinger was actually mocking the maybe-dead-cat idea when he came up with it. The cat's dead. Definitely.
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The reason your beliefs are irrelevant, and mathematically and otherwise-reasonably unsound, is because it is ABSURD to say "because random particles don't exist, I'm justified in acting like this about the deck."

Even if they don't, then all that means is that it's your fucking fault you aren't getting the hands you want, either directly or indirectly.

In RL, you shuffle and are still further away from "random" than a computer - meaning that any time you do get a good hand, you deserve that hand less (because you've done a worse job randomizing, and are that much closer to just plain stacking), and any time you get a bad hand, it's still your fucking fault because your shuffle gave you an undesirable result.

In DN, it's your fault because you CONSENT TO DN'S ALGORITHM JUST BY USING DN IN THE FIRST PLACE, thereby revoking ANY AND ALL right to bitch when it doesn't give you what you want. BY TACITLY CONSENTING to the algorithm via using DN at all, you say "here, this algorithm is how I choose to shuffle today." In turn, this means that any time you get a bad hand, it's your fault because you STILL exhibited primary and direct control over the shuffle. You didn't HAVE to use DN: by choosing to use DN, you exhibit primary and direct control over whether or not you shuffle a certain way.


So, in summation: no matter your dueling medium, RL or DN, you are in control, so it's your own fault. Thus, stop complaining, and stop acting entitled to success in this card game. You're entitled to a good life, not to win in card games.



Your bad hand problem won't be solved by never getting bad hands. It'll be solved by making you grow up and realize it's absurd to bitch about said hands when you CONSENT TO GETTING THEM BY PLAYING THE GAME.
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Why do people think, the reason they suck is some shit on illuminati-level?
Dear god, you're not the center of the yugiworld, everyone uses the same algorithm, and they don't seem to have problems, do they?
You suck. It's like all the people who whine about their 4 normals in the opening hand, while the opp had the perfect matching outs.
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[quote name='Pharaoh Atem' timestamp='1342290504' post='3231813']You're entitled to a good life, not to win in card games.[/quote]Glaring contradiction.
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Hands with too many spells and not enough monsters? Take out spells and add monsters. Problem solved
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You're running 6 lv8 monsters, why not run trade-in? You could also maybe run some more defensive traps until you draw your monsters instead of the bitching you keep saying about drawing 4 spells, 2 monsters. Polymerization is just bad in general card advantage wise most of the time, your giving up 3 cards to summon 1, not to mention your opponents cards as well. Photon Twin Lizard, yes makes up for that but still, I would much rather use future fusion. Heck, maybe you could try king of the swamp to get to the polys if you be arrogant and ignore said advice, If it was me also, I would make this deck much more orientated to a goal instead of this deck which is using bad photon cards. Your idea of Draconnection sounds much better; you could run the Photon Galaxy Dragons, LADD's and some other lv8 light dragon and have some pretty easy means to get out said cards. You could also then use stuff like precious cards from the beyond or advanced draw for a draw engine in your deck so you can hit your monsters due " DN's poor shuffling"
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omg dn shuffling illuminati conspiracy fuck the fascists ron paul 2012
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Photon Cerberus sucks, Kaiser Seahorse is unnecessary, Galaxy Queens Light is unnecessary, Sanctuary just for GEPD and Kaiser is dumb. Photon Lead, just what. Also why do you run Poly and not run Fufu and please increase your trap count and try to fit some Skill Drains or some shit in here so you don't get fucked up.

Also it's been said already, but when you badly construct a deck, you will get shitty draws. Take this to Pojo.
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23 posts and I expected a good Photon deck

nice anime deck though.
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