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+Paraliel+    8010


Man the salt is so real lol

Seriously who gives a fuck. The system was designed to promote activity not to determine the best player. In that regard. Im glad i won because its making ppl actually be karen about it, but if thats the case, contribute, play and win and make sure i dont win it again. It is really kind of pathetic that ppl are trying to discredit it just because i got it when ppl didnt expect it. Like if it was literally anyone else this bitchfest doesn't happen

I'm not salty, I'm saying I don't like the name. and I'm saying if you guys want a perfect system there's probably better ways. I have no opinion on you winning whatsoever because I've been inactive
Ftr i wasnt just referring to you more pf a general comment

Idt the name matters but i thought ypur comment on it was taking a shot

Yea its like i said in the beg i think their could be a better system but this was always a trial run
Only shots I'm firing are 3 pointers in current game boi

And yeah trials still need to be evaluated

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+Logic    2003
Got first at Gencons Resistance event at Gencon and I'm their World Champion for 2015.

How many points does that net me?
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+PSK    4309
idk I need to catch up on all this when I have time. don't worry about it atm

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So with the help of Allen, the ELO system for mafia is finished. 

 

Here is the calculations 

 

[spoiler]

Step 1: Make a list of the players in the winning faction and another list of players in the losing factions. Call these list A and list B, respectively.

 

Step 2: Average together the ratings of the players in lists A and B. Call these rating A and rating B (referring to as just A and B in the next step).

 

Step 3: Let E = 1/(1+10^((B-A)/400)))

 

Step 4: Let P = K*N/2*E, where N is the number of players in the game, and K is a predetermined value (known as the K-value). K = 20.

 

Step 5: Take P, evenly divide it among the players in list A, and add it to their ratings.

 

Step 6: Take P, evenly divide it among the players in list B, and subtract it from their ratings.

[/spoiler]

 

In laymen's terms, 

 

The winning faction will gain ELO points, the losing faction will lose ELO points. In the long run, the best individual players will have the highest ranking so don't worry about that initially ie the idea that bad players that roll town will have a higher ranking than good players that roll maf. The points gained are based on the the averages of the ELO of the faction. 

 

Other things

 

In order for this system to be fair, games that are counted for it can only have two factions (town and mafia). Obv these games have to be approved and checked for balance. 

 

Im pretty sure we can award extra ELO for MVP, HM etc... 

 

Modkills are an issue that either need to be eliminated completely or have to have a penalty severe enough to discourage them. 

 

I'll set up a google doc for the initial game, but ideally 15 players would be the min for a game to count as ranked. 

 

In order to discourage the rei rule, I am tempted that the n1 kill be removed from the pool of calculation. This will incentivize scum teams to keep good players alive for at least one day and also negate some of the day 2 alive = scum bs, but I'll hear ppl out on this. 

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13 hours ago, my bloody arcanine said:

who's updating this?

Me. We have only had 1 ranked game under the new aystem so theres not much to do so far (mod asked me not to count the game in between matrix games due to balance concerns) 

no idea what ppl want to do about the last game given the # of ways it was fucked up in terms of how it was ran but it makes no difference to me.

also join the survivor game

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Faint    5619

Tyranno would be top if this was still going

 

Send tyranno to mafia world

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+mmf    23370

Bring this back

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mark    3104

Here is my suggestion. I can explain why I think all this, and while it's not perfect I think it hits a lot of different things at once, but I'll just put it out here:

- Have the Mafioso decide for 1 MVP and a 2 HM for each month (look at when the games start to decide in which month they'll be)
- MVP gives 2 points. HM gives 1 point.

Example:

End of year Rankings:

1. Player A | 10 points | (3x MVP 4x HM)
2. Player B | 9 points | (4x MVP 1x HM)
.......
Etc.

Then the player who wins will receive the Mafia God title for the next year.

This is a combination of:

- Skill
- Promoting activity
- Excitement / giving everyone a fair chance 

This assumes the Mafioso have the time to do this (Not sure about this, it does require them to read all games, but if we trust hosts on being competent they can also have a quick look at the aftergame threads and see the MVP/HM's/what the hosts say etc.). And also there may be the problem of mafioso playing and having to reward their own play (obviously you would want to give yourself more points, so it requires to be objective about your own play. Could be solved by having to vote people and not being able to vote yourself).

As for deciding who gets MVP/HM each game, that should not be result-oriented, but it should be based on someone's play in the games during that time. No it's not necessarily about surviving, winning, or getting MVP, but it's about how good you played (which is basically the same as winning with your team, except without the variance and the memes, because you'd need to play 1000+ games to have a large enough sample size to really dictate which player is "better" than the other based on how often your team wins, especially if you consider most of the games you'll be in the same team, so it's entirely possible for 2 players to be on the same team for almost the entire year and receive the same ranking, which is obviously ridiculous as it doesn't say which of the 2 is better at all).

It is not intended to be a "perfect" system, but I think it would be very interesting to implement this. 

 

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+mmf    23370

thats basically what the original system was iirc

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ZeroPassion    682

I've decided to take the opportunity to continue the ELO system based on the rankings thread and start from games in January '17 that do not include Neutrals.

 

So far I'm through 3 games with just the raw numbers excluding any MVP, Modkill as of now since that had not been figured out yet.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X7FVPiKbN6PDxhJfhel7eNNsTXyRI5gfOTnn1up6db4/edit?usp=sharing 

 

Elo is on the first sheet, the numbers come from the second sheet, and the notes on how I'm doing the whole thing are in the third sheet.

 

Already @Jazz is the shittiest player on the forums through the first 3 recorded games! Congratulations on 3 games proving your worth! 

 

But these numbers really are a pain in the ass. Someone should help in collaborating with me. 

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Mascis    4424

as of this post me and frank are the same elo

 

give me mafia god thanks

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ZeroPassion    682
47 minutes ago, Nelrick said:

I have no idea how any of it works, but ill be raising my hands to power your ranking genkidama

 

tbf since i am majoring in mathematics and doing this saddens me because I kinda get the jist behind elo but I have to see the numbers form so i can see that i'm doing shit correctly. 

edit: i've never dealt with elo before or the ideas. i've been in stats but basic stats but in high school. i'm a sophomore in college pls

 

i've been discussing a lil bit with mark on some things including elo which i showed him via linking and once i read through and understand them then i will relay my findings! we can alternatively get ACP to explain the elo too!

Edited by ZeroPassion
defending why i haven't dealt with higher math!

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Jazz    4953
55 minutes ago, ZeroPassion said:

I've decided to take the opportunity to continue the ELO system based on the rankings thread and start from games in January '17 that do not include Neutrals.

 

Already @Jazz is the shittiest player on the forums through the first 3 recorded games! Congratulations on 3 games proving your worth! 

 

 

lol this is so dirty. You discarded the game I solo'd as scum and won by lynching the neutral at lylo... because the game included a neutral?

 

:thinking:

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ZeroPassion    682
1 minute ago, Jazz said:

 

lol this is so dirty. You discarded the game I solo'd as scum and won by lynching the neutral at lylo... because the game included a neutral?

 

:thinking:

 

this is explained in frank's post of the elo system above - only based on an actual two team game of town vs mafia as elo is based on a 1v1. generally, this is done as a person v person but it should work out through a long series of games for each individual on the team for their individual elo instead. 

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