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NB96    850
 

They seem to make the villain more powerful in each new season but I just don't see how they're going to make The Thinker more of a threat than Savitar, Zoom or even the Reverse Flash. They already beat Gorilla Grodd tons of times now who has similar abilities. Also I would love if they removed filler from this season, even if it means reducing the overall number of episodes. It was a huge problem for season 2 in my opinion where I felt like they were dragging it out longer than it needed. They had episodes with Zoom but then switched to less interesting villains for an episode or two every now and then and I got tired of it. The Vandal Savage episode, or the Alien episode in season 3 for example, and if you don't watch Arrow or Supergirl you just have no idea wtf is going on.

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+Gemstone Mine    2596



I mean, thus far, grodd's telepathy has imo been pretty underused, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in how they're going to make it interesting. A bad guy doesn't need to be more powerful than his predecessor to be interesting (lets be honest here, highly unlikely savitar gets powercreeped for a while), he just needs to do something different.

 

Thus far, all flash villians have been focused on the flash (well, major ones anyways), thawne, zoom, savitar, all caused chaos as a second to messing with Barry. It'd be nice to get a big bad that just wants to fuck shit up  but the flash is in his way if they can make it interesting.

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NB96    850

Just watched Season 4, Episode 9. The Thinker is a fresh and interesting villain, at last. Really liked the guy playing him, and the ending of this episode will surely lead to an interesting story. This could be the best season since season 1, just please don't fill the season with loads of throwaway episodes where they fight random metahumans. You have a really cool villain, please just use him for the entire remaining 13 episodes. I don't need to see any more Amunet.

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+Gemstone Mine    2596

I actually like Amunet, and would like to see more of her. I also think the villian of the week style is what the flash does best, as long as each villian is related to the main villian (which seems to be where they're going, aside from Amunent, whose becoming a mini-boss), but unlike normal, a) each villian does relate to the boss in some ways (unlike say savitar who had the meta cult for literally no reason. They were just kinda there to give filler) and b) the boss shows up often enough to remind you that they are in fact the boss (something the thinker is doing way better than anyone but s1 thawne)

 

Other than that, season progressing well

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+Gemstone Mine    2596

the crisis was also way better than the dominator cross over, I loved it. It hit all the right feels, and imo was well done, even the part at the end.

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+Gemstone Mine    2596

as far as the other 3 go:

 

only legends is doing well. Supergirl and Arrow just feel lost. There's no driving force, little tension, just personal drama. Supergirl's finally pulling out of it with the formal introduction of Reign, but arrow's just so boring right now. It might not have been if

 



they hadn't sabatoged Dig being the arrow literally in the same episode oliver passes the mantle, but they all kinds of fucked that up.

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Idk I feel this season just hasn't been executed well. I feel like the Thinker has too much plot armor. LIke I get that hes a superior intellect, but the writers are putting very little effort into showing it and as a result it just feels random (with Thawne, you got to watch him manipulate Barry into doing what he wanted which is lacking with the Thinker who arguably could benefit from it even more than Thawne did). The other major problem is that the spoiled that villain last season and that Barry will ultimately beat him. Given Barry showed he knows this, it kind ruins any real suspension of disbelief that Barry could believe he was going to lose. 

 

While I appreciate the Thinker showing up more often, it is almost a joke because he doesnt really present a thret. It always "I'm smarter than you. Better luck next time." He doesn't really do anything or present a threat. Would possibly be more interesting if he were fucking with Iris, Cisco's girl, Cecile etc . . . as opposed to Barry 

 

 

 

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On 12/7/2017 at 3:49 PM, Gemstone Mine said:

as far as the other 3 go:

 

only legends is doing well. Supergirl and Arrow just feel lost. There's no driving force, little tension, just personal drama. Supergirl's finally pulling out of it with the formal introduction of Reign, but arrow's just so boring right now. It might not have been if

 

 

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Agreed that Arrow just has no idea what its doing anymore. 

 

Supergirl is actually getting more interesting, but the shows villians are too linear. Reign offers a chance to change that tho. 

 

Legends is doing well, but fuck I want Mallus to do something. Darhk is just the worst villain of all time. 

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15 minutes ago, Francis J Underwood said:

Legends is doing well, but fuck I want Mallus to do something. Darhk is just the worst villain of all time. 

yes and no.

 

Darhk is an awful villian. He is an excellent henchmen. Half the reason last season was so good was because of the malcolm + darhk combo was so good.

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1 hour ago, Gemstone Mine said:

yes and no.

 

Darhk is an awful villian. He is an excellent henchmen. Half the reason last season was so good was because of the malcolm + darhk combo was so good.

I don't even know how I feel about him as a henchman. His character is just so off-putting as is his power scaling, and right now hes operating basically on his own (even if its to the benefit of Mallus). 

 

 

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+Gemstone Mine    2596

i mean, i think the real problem with darhk is that they've worked to set up the relationship with his daughter, and she's literally averaging <1 word per episode she's in. Complete non-entity.

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15 hours ago, Gemstone Mine said:

i mean, i think the real problem with darhk is that they've worked to set up the relationship with his daughter, and she's literally averaging <1 word per episode she's in. Complete non-entity.

True. I just have so many problems with him from a design concept. 

 

1. Power Scaling - Darhk is so OP compared to literally every other villain in Arrow-verse. This creates an issue of just how believable it is for him to lose and or fuck up badly enough to put himself in a position of danger. This stems from trying to one-up Ras in Arrow and I think moving Darhk to Legends was a fantastic move as it allowed them to power creep his competition in a more believable manner, but that fact that I'm bitching about how OP he is despite going to a show where metas are the norm is telling. He is one of those villians who is impossible to deal with and results in an ass pull almost every time (at least in Arrow they way they dealt with him made sense). Further, this power scaling makes him almost impossible to control. Darhk is helping Mallus, but only because it aligns with his goals. 

 

2. Character - I don't need to go too far into this. Darhk is just not a compelling villain. He has never had a real end game to his actions and even if he did he is so OP that you wonder why he never just takes the most direct route.  

 

3. Legends doesn't add anything to him. Darhk was literally just transposed directly into Legends, gets killed off again, and then revived. He never really had a purpose for being here or doing what he is doing. As you pointed out, he's a henchman, but given how OP that doesn't make much sense. Neither the Reverse Flash or Mallus are capable enough to control him. He acts on their behalf because it aligns with his interests, but if he wanted to fuck shit up, he could with little repercussion. Mallus cant have him killed off because he needs him in the same way Reverse Flash needed him.

 

As weird as it is, he is too OP to be a henchmen, but not a strong enough character (due to writing, background, etc. . . .) to be a main boss.  

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+Gemstone Mine    2596

he is definitely not too overpowered compared to some of the big bads.

 

He was a horrible arrow big bad because he so hilarilously powercreeps literally every other villian combined, but in the grand scheme, he's not the big dog. He worked so well under thawne because thawne was literally the only person who was more powerful than he was (even at full power, this disregards the fact that darhk was just a league assassin in terms of powers during s2, as he didn't have the idol, but even at full power, darhk has always shown that his magic is gated by his reaction time, which means he's basically completely helpless against thawne.) Mallus just not existing makes it hard to tell if he's wielding that kind of power.

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1 hour ago, Gemstone Mine said:

he is definitely not too overpowered compared to some of the big bads.

 

He was a horrible arrow big bad because he so hilarilously powercreeps literally every other villian combined, but in the grand scheme, he's not the big dog. He worked so well under thawne because thawne was literally the only person who was more powerful than he was (even at full power, this disregards the fact that darhk was just a league assassin in terms of powers during s2, as he didn't have the idol, but even at full power, darhk has always shown that his magic is gated by his reaction time, which means he's basically completely helpless against thawne.) Mallus just not existing makes it hard to tell if he's wielding that kind of power.

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I mean I'm not sure if this was ever shown. 

As for Mallus not existing, I don't see how it isn't a rehash of Thawne not being able to enforce jack shit because something was stopping him.  Seems to be one of those he neds me as much as I nee him scenarios. 

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+Gemstone Mine    2596

the obvious instance of speedster vs darhk was when darhk was doing the life sucky thing to oliver and barry raced in grabbed oliver and bailed. you'd think that if darhk could have stopped it he would have, especially since he was in physical contact with oliver, but he didn't.

 

p sure there's a couple of other instances of people getting the drop on darhk and coming closer (than if they hadn't at any rate) to if not outright getting him.

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1 hour ago, Gemstone Mine said:

the obvious instance of speedster vs darhk was when darhk was doing the life sucky thing to oliver and barry raced in grabbed oliver and bailed. you'd think that if darhk could have stopped it he would have, especially since he was in physical contact with oliver, but he didn't.

 

p sure there's a couple of other instances of people getting the drop on darhk and coming closer (than if they hadn't at any rate) to if not outright getting him.

Again not saying it didnt't happen, but I feel like that can be explained away by sheer surprise iirc (Darhk didn't know Barry was coming). 

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Mr Dragon    312

The main villain for Legends just needs to entertaining enough to be interesting in whatever wacky scenarios are presented in each episode tbh. That's why Darhk is really so good in Legends specifically - Neal McDonough spends all his time chewing scenery like it's nobody's business. Arrow presents itself with a semblance of seriousness, therefore Darhk isn't nearly as entertaining in that way.

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On 1/26/2018 at 10:14 PM, Mr Dragon said:

The main villain for Legends just needs to entertaining enough to be interesting in whatever wacky scenarios are presented in each episode tbh. That's why Darhk is really so good in Legends specifically - Neal McDonough spends all his time chewing scenery like it's nobody's business. Arrow presents itself with a semblance of seriousness, therefore Darhk isn't nearly as entertaining in that way.

This is probably a fair assessment, but idk Darhk as a villian is just so off-putting. He's too cheesy almost. I agree that it is a better fit in Legends than Arrow, but he basically kills any suspension of disbelief in anything he's in to me. 

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NB96    850
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The show has picked up again since the guy who played the Thinker originally returned. I find him more interesting to watch than the versions of him inside different people's bodies. I can't help but feel if they had say 8 bus metas instead of 12 it would have cut down on all the filler. I mean the radioactive guy got two episodes and he hasn't even done anything. That's just two more that could have been on the thinker.

Also why did he need Null? He can shrink stuff now so it's easy to steal things. Just a lot of filler that didn't need to be there when you had a good actor playing the villain, and who was very compelling to watch. The season had huge potential but they executed it poorly through their use of filler villains when you had an exciting supervillain to spend more episodes on instead.

For me, episodes 8 and 9 were the peak of the season.

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+Gemstone Mine    2596

flash has been doing decent in the past couple of episodes, but the thinker is such a boring ass villain. idk who at CW thinks that 'I know every move before you make it, and I am literally not capable of losing' villains are intereresting, but they aren't. At least Savitar had the menace and the mystery to still remain somewhat interesting, but devoe doesn't have it. They've at least made him more than one-dimensional by showing his set-backs and conflict with his wife, but other than that, he's such a badly executed villain.

 

Arrows in the same boat. Diaz is just such a piss-poor villain because he's doing the 'I know every move before you make it, and I am literally not capable of losing' thing, except he's completely non-existent. Arrow has been at a all-time low this season, which is incredibly frustrating, because they have all the pieces. They have strong, interesting characters. They have good ideas for plot. They have strong potential villains. They just can't find the right holes to fit them through together. The few moments where Diaz is actually doing, well, anything, you can see his potential. But it's so wasted, he's literally coasting the entire season after he reached his end game half way through the season after Cayden.

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7 hours ago, Gemstone Mine said:

flash has been doing decent in the past couple of episodes, but the thinker is such a boring ass villain. idk who at CW thinks that 'I know every move before you make it, and I am literally not capable of losing' villains are intereresting, but they aren't. At least Savitar had the menace and the mystery to still remain somewhat interesting, but devoe doesn't have it. They've at least made him more than one-dimensional by showing his set-backs and conflict with his wife, but other than that, he's such a badly executed villain.

 

Arrows in the same boat. Diaz is just such a piss-poor villain because he's doing the 'I know every move before you make it, and I am literally not capable of losing' thing, except he's completely non-existent. Arrow has been at a all-time low this season, which is incredibly frustrating, because they have all the pieces. They have strong, interesting characters. They have good ideas for plot. They have strong potential villains. They just can't find the right holes to fit them through together. The few moments where Diaz is actually doing, well, anything, you can see his potential. But it's so wasted, he's literally coasting the entire season after he reached his end game half way through the season after Cayden.

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On 5/4/2018 at 3:50 PM, Gemstone Mine said:

flash has been doing decent in the past couple of episodes, but the thinker is such a boring ass villain. idk who at CW thinks that 'I know every move before you make it, and I am literally not capable of losing' villains are intereresting, but they aren't. At least Savitar had the menace and the mystery to still remain somewhat interesting, but devoe doesn't have it. They've at least made him more than one-dimensional by showing his set-backs and conflict with his wife, but other than that, he's such a badly executed villain.

 

Arrows in the same boat. Diaz is just such a piss-poor villain because he's doing the 'I know every move before you make it, and I am literally not capable of losing' thing, except he's completely non-existent. Arrow has been at a all-time low this season, which is incredibly frustrating, because they have all the pieces. They have strong, interesting characters. They have good ideas for plot. They have strong potential villains. They just can't find the right holes to fit them through together. The few moments where Diaz is actually doing, well, anything, you can see his potential. But it's so wasted, he's literally coasting the entire season after he reached his end game half way through the season after Cayden.

Arrow's picked up a bit in the last few weeks IMO, Diaz got so much better in that episode where he burned that guy alive. Now he's almost too watchable in comparison to the frustratingly written main characters that do nothing but bitch at each other every episode. At this point, I'd actually prefer it if Diaz actually just succeeds.
 

And while I don't dislike The Thinker, I do think it's really telling that the best episode of the season was (at least IMO) the Nuclear Bomb episode, which bar a couple of details here and there could easily have been part of season 3.

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Faint    5854

I just haven't bothered this season. Savitar got me interested and felt like a real threat - thinker just doesn't...

 

plus theres soooo much filler episodes zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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»Tygo    14119

I keep trying and falling asleep in the middle of the eps.

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On 5/7/2018 at 4:42 PM, Faint said:

I just haven't bothered this season. Savitar got me interested and felt like a real threat - thinker just doesn't...

 

plus theres soooo much filler episodes zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Im sorry but im gonna quote for the bitches who complained about the speedster villains and were happy for a change. 

 

FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK 

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