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Newgioh Format Thread

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On 5/16/2016 at 11:47 AM, Ynusgridorh said:

Even though I've never played Newgioh, looking back, it was a good idea and a format that deserved to exist.

One thing I didn't understand is the banlist rotation. If the format is bad, it should be fixed as soon as possible. If it's good, just leave it as it is until you find something better. You might have found the perfect format one day.

the original idea was based around how mtg composes it's standard format. 

we started with goats, then added some cards to the goat format card pool and adjusted the f&l list to accommodate. then over the next few months the goal was to add more cards into the format, at whatever number, so that the the format didn't grow stale too quickly. 

it's not that the format was bad, there were just goals we were trying to achieve with each addition of new cards to the pool. it's a shame that players were reluctant to adjust to the shifting card pool.

the final list was side-step so to speak. refresh the concept but not have new cards added every three months. try to make the format more "eternal" and let the players have a chance to breath. this list, however, just never took off. 

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On 5/18/2016 at 9:22 AM, Mascis said:

the original idea was based around how mtg composes it's standard format. 

we started with goats, then added some cards to the goat format card pool and adjusted the f&l list to accommodate. then over the next few months the goal was to add more cards into the format, at whatever number, so that the the format didn't grow stale too quickly. 

it's not that the format was bad, there were just goals we were trying to achieve with each addition of new cards to the pool. it's a shame that players were reluctant to adjust to the shifting card pool.

the final list was side-step so to speak. refresh the concept but not have new cards added every three months. try to make the format more "eternal" and let the players have a chance to breath. this list, however, just never took off. 

I introduced the concept to my friends after getting them into Goat Format. Newgioh seemed, to me, like a really interesting in-between format that focused on keeping the game more "goat like" and slower than modern Yu-Gi-Oh! but with new cards and interactions. Unfortunately, my friends simply saw it as a timesink that took away from their preparations for local/regional events in modern since we're already splitting time between Goats and modern as-is. Has anyone else simply said they don't have the time or incentive to play it? Because to me it seems like that would be a big reason not to invest in another format, especially one whose metagame is essentially "untested" in comparison to other past formats such as Goats, Chaos Return, Troop Dup, etc.

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51 minutes ago, Anteaus44 said:

I introduced the concept to my friends after getting them into Goat Format. Newgioh seemed, to me, like a really interesting in-between format that focused on keeping the game more "goat like" and slower than modern Yu-Gi-Oh! but with new cards and interactions. Unfortunately, my friends simply saw it as a timesink that took away from their preparations for local/regional events in modern since we're already splitting time between Goats and modern as-is. Has anyone else simply said they don't have the time or incentive to play it? Because to me it seems like that would be a big reason not to invest in another format, especially one whose metagame is essentially "untested" in comparison to other past formats such as Goats, Chaos Return, Troop Dup, etc.

well, i agree with you there that there was little incentive to play the format, as there wasn't any viewable support at local stores. We had a google maps displayed that noted locals which supported newgioh games, but there we never found out if those locals actually ran events. well, one local in europe contacted us, but that's about it. 

we had the one ARG event in NJ that was successful. then there was supposed to be another newgioh event at an ARG in Philly, but it never launched. It's really hard to say that there was no incentive to play. you need people who want to play and people who willing to host events with support, and these people need to be vocal about it.

also the format isn't actually as "untested" as you think it was. we tested every card addition pretty throughly. at the same time, we didn't have the ability to actually print cards that did things that we wanted since we weren't Konami. you could kinda just tell what card went where. the only thing you really needed to test for was match-ups, but even then it was pretty easy to discern what each deck was attempting to do.

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2 minutes ago, Mascis said:

well, i agree with you there that there was little incentive to play the format, as there wasn't any viewable support at local stores. We had a google maps displayed that noted locals which supported newgioh games, but there we never found out if those locals actually ran events. well, one local in europe contacted us, but that's about it. 

we had the one ARG event in NJ that was successful. then there was supposed to be another newgioh event at an ARG in Philly, but it never launched. It's really hard to say that there was no incentive to play. you need people who want to play and people who willing to host events with support, and these people need to be vocal about it.

also the format isn't actually as "untested" as you think it was. we tested every card addition pretty throughly. at the same time, we didn't have the ability to actually print cards that did things that we wanted since we weren't Konami. you could kinda just tell what card went where. the only thing you really needed to test for was match-ups, but even then it was pretty easy to discern what each deck was attempting to do.

Good points. Having never played in the format I can't really say whether or not it was "untested," I guess. My bad. I was more thinking of when it comes to deckbuilding, what kinds of things to watch out for and include and, as you said, needing to test for specific matchups. I would have loved to have played but I'm on the west coast and events in NJ and Philly really aren't accessible to me, sadly. Shame there isn't more support out here! 

And let's face it, in this community it's hard to get people to agree on what should and should not be included in a given format. Any time a new banlist drops in modern you have this polarization happen in the community it seems, where some people like it, some hate it, etc. Hell there's still not a complete consensus on which Goat format is better among the three that are played right now.

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*wasn't more support. Newgioh is done

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11 minutes ago, Mascis said:

*wasn't more support. Newgioh is done

That's a damn shame. 

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