+Logic 2035 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 So I took some time yesterday to try to compile the list of cards OCG had during mid-2005 that we didn't. You can find that list below. [spoiler] *Elemental Energy came out August 2005 https://www.yugiohcardguide.com/spoilers/elemental-energy.htmlMonsterBerfomet Total Defense Shogun Cockroach Knight Dragon SeekerVIser Des*Legendary Fiend GerniaQueen’s Knight King’s Knight Jack’s Knight Hanibal Necromancer Victory DragonGoblin Zombie*Maximum SixThe TrickyAnicent LampRed Gadget*Green Gadget*Yellow Gadget* Marshmallon*Gemini Imps*Return ZombieBlood Suckervan'dalgyon the dark dragon lord*Skelangel (after CRV)*Summoner Monk (after CRV)*Tualatin*Silent Swordsman Lv5, LV7 (after CRV)Doomcaliber Knight (released after CRV, after EER before banned List)*Gandora the Dragon of Destruction (released after CRV, after EER before banned List)White Horned DragonMutant Mindmaster*Divine Knight Ishzark*Blast Sphere* Spell Temple of the Kings MultiplyFiend’s Sanctuary*Soul Taker* Silent Doom*Dangerous Machine Type 6Shield Crush*Sebek’s Blessing*Tricky Spell 4 Makiyu the Magical MistOverpowering EyeMagical Stone Excavation*Nightmare’s Steel Cage*Mystic Box* Magical Dimension*Magical Blast* Foolish Burial TrapTime Machine*Metal Reflect Slime* Magical Arm ShieldCloning*Sixth Sense*Hidden SoliderSoul Rope*Legacy of Yata Garatsu*Malevolent Catastrophy*Stronghold the Moving Fortress*Call of the EarthboundMystical Refpanel*Relieve Monster Crush Card Virus FusionChimera the Flying Mythical Beast Ehero steam healer Five headed dragon*Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon*Arcana Knight JesterAligator’s Sword Dragon* [/spoiler] Would anyone have any interest in exploring this to some caliber? Not sure where the right place would be to start with this, where pre CRV/Post CRV/Post EEN are all options, not to mention the option to do honor bans. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ACP+ 33886 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 The Sixth Sense should be an honor ban. Worst card design of all time. Also, the TCG already had the Silent Swordsmen. Worth mentioning that Marshmallon was limited to 1, for those who don't know. There were also various banlist differences like Magician of Faith being at 1 in the OCG. I would argue that gadgets were close to tier 0 in this format. So much silliness, especially considering that you could run 9 gadgets 3 ultimate offering 3 limiter removal if you really wanted to. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. The resilience of the gadget deck was just completely unparalleled at this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Logic 2035 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 Actually, the march banned list looks identical to what TCG had with Sixth Sense banned and Marshmallon at 1. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/March_2005_Lists , maybe I missed a negligible difference though. Looks like Faith is at 3 here. Yeah I'm not sure how Gadgets weren't just everywhere both Pre and Post CRV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ACP+ 33886 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 That's weird, because on their historic chart, they have faith at 1: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Historic_Forbidden/Limited_Chart I recall some other sources mentioning some minor differences in our list, but of course it's quite difficult to find now. Maybe Atem can point us in the right direction. I was trying to find some decklists from this time, but didn't have too much luck. I didn't find these one set of top decklists from a Miso-G (the biggest OCG tournaments at the time). http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/1729765/ It's weird, because it's clearly from the March 2005 format (has they're all running Graceful Charity, which was banned in september 2005), and yet none of them are running Delinquent Duo, Ring of Destruction, or more than one Magician of Faith. Like maybe officially their list was the same as ours or something and they played with certain "honor bans." It's also worth noting that they have Foolish Burial, which was not mentioned on your list. I feel like one of primary issues with trying to play this format is figuring out what cards were actually printed and legal at the time. Going back 11 years to a different country isn't easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Francis J Underwood 2619 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 I would actually be interested in this, but I think the issue is that with DN not having images, it will be hard to drum up interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ACP+ 33886 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 It's gets even more confusing when you look at this list: http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/2093730/ Here we've got a guy running Graceful Charity and Confiscation in the same deck... And those two were never legal at the same time post-2005. Another dude is running Delinquent Duo. We see the appearance of multiple Magician of Faiths. Still no Ring of Destructions. Like I literally can't even figure out what ban list they could possibly be playing with from these decklists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ACP+ 33886 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 Oh, and also the OCG definitely had Crush Card Virus, which was limited to 1 at this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Logic 2035 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 Crazy stuff. Yeah, I had to go through each wikipedia page every-time a game/ set/promo pack came out; I'm confident there are cards I'm missing, FOolish is the first one that I didn't know about outside of vanillas and Rituals. I'm not sure who to ask that would be well-informed on the subject, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Logic 2035 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 If anyone knows a better way to get a full list than going through some 70 links on a laggy laptop, please let me know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Logic 2035 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 I see Dandylion on one of the links you posted, too. Cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ACP+ 33886 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 Another source says that Dandylion didn't come out until December 2005. This is all so complicated, too much conflicting information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ACP+ 33886 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 Exchange of the Spirit was also legal and at 1 though. (And with Temple of the Kings at 3) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Francis J Underwood 2619 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 I feel like the best solution is to go through these and basically just adjust for what is degenerative and what isn't. Is it kind of create your own format-ish? Yes, but so long as the core principles are maintained, then it should not be an issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jazz 4709 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 Cool idea. This website was incredibly useful to me for compiling the goat format TCG pool on format library: https://www.yugiohcardguide.com/ I would try to find something similar for the OCG boosters, structure decks, and promos released there. You might have to google translate a Japanese page, which should be doable. Finding it seems like the hard part. But I'm sure it exists somewhere. YGO Wikia sucks ass. They don't moderate it carefully at all. For years the TCG goat list had Magician of Faith @ 2. There are also other ban lists on YGO Wikia pre 2004 where stuff like Graceful Charity oscillates between 1 and 2 month-to-month, but I'm pretty sure that never actually happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jazz 4709 Report post Posted April 9, 2016 PS If you can get the entire card pool in a google spreadsheet, I can write some sort of script to pull out unique OCG cards by comparing it against the TCG pool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*Sinister Serpent* 2 Report post Posted April 10, 2016 It's gets even more confusing when you look at this list: http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/2093730/ Here we've got a guy running Graceful Charity and Confiscation in the same deck... And those two were never legal at the same time post-2005. Another dude is running Delinquent Duo. We see the appearance of multiple Magician of Faiths. Still no Ring of Destructions. Like I literally can't even figure out what ban list they could possibly be playing with from these decklists. Hey Allen, just thought I would let you know that's not actually correct, Confiscation and Graceful were legal at the same time post-05 I distinctively remember Jeff Jones playing both in his Triple Stratos advantage deck. So I checked and they were in fact both legal in September 2006. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gemstone Mine 2583 Report post Posted April 10, 2016 i feel like there was a point where they banned duo and brought back confi and still had charity legal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jazz 4709 Report post Posted April 10, 2016 It's gets even more confusing when you look at this list: http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/2093730/ Here we've got a guy running Graceful Charity and Confiscation in the same deck... And those two were never legal at the same time post-2005. Another dude is running Delinquent Duo. We see the appearance of multiple Magician of Faiths. Still no Ring of Destructions. Like I literally can't even figure out what ban list they could possibly be playing with from these decklists. Hey Allen, just thought I would let you know that's not actually correct, Confiscation and Graceful were legal at the same time post-05 I distinctively remember Jeff Jones playing both in his Triple Stratos advantage deck. So I checked and they were in fact both legal in September 2006. It's Sep 06 - Feb 07 Yeah I think that was the format when Stein was E-banned halfway through. It was a strange format. No sorcerer, no heros. So (apprentice?) monarchs were like the default deck I guess. After the Stein E-ban, Stratos was released as a promo and was initially at 3 for like a single random SJC. But generally yes, Confi and Graceful alternated spots on the list. I think that's the one exception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petqwe 287 Report post Posted April 11, 2016 FYI if your OCG goats refer to the period of mar-aug 2005, you may want to notice that doomcaliber knight was out in august 05...Edit: was blind, dont know why i didnt see that card already in thr list This is something I find from some really old websites. If not mistaken this is sort of the "nationals" for Japan in 2005 Top 4: CyDra Goats[spoiler] Monster: 161 BLS3 CyDra1 Chiron1 Exarion1 Breaker1 TIV1 DDWL2 Tsuk1 Sangan1 Exiled2 Mof1 Serpent Spells: 193 Trio1 Snatch1 Heavy1 MST1 Premat2 Noc3 Meta3 Goat3 Bom1 Sorl Traps: 51 Ring1 Coth1 Mirror2 Decree Side: 151 Mobius2 Chiron1 Exarion1 Asura1 MS22 DD Designator1 Time Capsule1 Torrential2 Sak1 Bottomless1 Dust1 Decree[/spoiler]Top 4: Goats with a twist of OTK[spoiler]Monster: 141 BLS1 Breaker1 TIV2 Tsuk1 Sangan1 Jar2 Summoner of Illusions (notice the difference in rulings)2 Mof2 Night Assailant1 SerpentSpells: 183 Trio1 Snatch1 Heavy1 MST1 Premat3 Meta3 Goat3 Bom2 NocTraps: 91 Ring1 Coth1 Mirror1 Torrential1 CCV2 Sak2 Desert SunlightSide: 152 Mobius2 Roulette Barrel2 Stealth Bird1 Cyber Jar1 Poison of the old man2 Emergency Provision2 Trunade3 Dust[/spoiler]Top 4: Gadgets smokescreening into Cyber Stein OTK[spoiler]Monsters: 141 CyDra1 Breaker2 Chiron9 Gadget1 MS2Spells: 193 Trio1 Snatch1 Heavy1 MST3 Smashing Ground2 Noc2 Shield Crush2 Rush Recklessly1 Shrink3 BomTraps: 101 Ring1 Mirror1 Torrential3 Sak1 Widespread Ruin3 SolemnSide: 151 Mobius1 CyDra1 Chiron1 Cyber Jar1 Sangan2 Cyber Stein1 Premat3 Trunade3 Limiter1 CCV[/spoiler]Top 4: Goats[spoiler]Monsters: 181 BLS1 Jinzo1 Airknight1 Exarion1 Breaker1 TIV1 Blade Knight1 DDWL2 Tsuk1 Sangan1 Dark Mimic 11 Spirit Reaper2 Mof2 Night Assassin1 SerpentSpells: 163 Trio1 Snatch1 Heavy1 MST1 Premat2 Noc1 Lightning Vortex3 Meta3 GoatTraps: 61 Ring1 Mirror1 Torrential1 Coth1 CCV1 Threatening RoarSide: 151 Dmoc1 Cyber Stein1 Cyber Jar1 Morphing Jar1 Card Destruction1 United we stand1 Sorl1 Magical Stone Excavation1 Monster Reincarnation2 Trunade1 Threatening Roar3 Dust[/spoiler]Top 8: Some OTK thing, smokescreen into standard goats[spoiler]Monster: 121 BLS1 Dmoc1 Jinzo3 CyDra1 Breaker2 Cannon Soldier2 Cyber Stein1 LilySpell: 263 Trio1 Snatch1 Heavy1 MST1 Card Destruction3 Trunade3 Reasoning3 Last Will3 Limiter3 Monster Gate1 Megamorph1 United we stand2 GoatTraps: 21 Ring1 DustSide: 151 TIV1 DDWL1 Tsuk1 Sangan1 Exiled Force2 Mof1 Serpent3 Meta1 Goat1 Coth1 Mirror1 Torrential[/spoiler] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the4got10-1 17 Report post Posted April 11, 2016 I'm probably being stupid here, but if all you guys wanted was to check the card pool / card legality and the ban list, why not just get a GBA emulator, the WCT 2004 / 2005 games and an "all cards" cheat and look at the in-game ban list? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the4got10-1 17 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Not sure whether you guys have taken this to PMs or something. Anyway, I guess this is the closest you can get to past format "official" lists: http://www.yugioh-card.com/sg/event/rules_guides/forbidden_cardlist.php?lang=en Note that there's actually no 2004/03 list on that site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jazz 4709 Report post Posted May 4, 2016 10 hours ago, the4got10-1 said: Not sure whether you guys have taken this to PMs or something. Anyway, I guess this is the closest you can get to past format "official" lists: http://www.yugioh-card.com/sg/event/rules_guides/forbidden_cardlist.php?lang=en Note that there's actually no 2004/03 list on that site. If you look at 2005/03 (http://www.yugioh-card.com/sg/event/rules_guides/forbidden_cardlist.php?list=200503&lang=en) there are a few cards that are not translated. Does somebody know what they are? @Logic do you think your OP has 99% of the playable promos, or are you missing some? And did anybody try the GBA thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danissgar 69 Report post Posted May 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Jazz said: If you look at 2005/03 (http://www.yugioh-card.com/sg/event/rules_guides/forbidden_cardlist.php?list=200503&lang=en) there are a few cards that are not translated. Does somebody know what they are? @Logic do you think your OP has 99% of the playable promos, or are you missing some? And did anybody try the GBA thing? 1st blank 第六感 Sixth Sense 2nd blank マシュマロン Marshmallon 3rd blank 現世と冥界の逆転 Return from the different dimension (?) 4th blank 死のデッキ破壊ウイルス Deck devi(?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Logic 2035 Report post Posted May 4, 2016 @Jazz, I'm confident there are normal monsters, ocg vanilla fusions, and ritual monsters I'm missing. I'm 90% sure every semi-playable card is listed, but the more I look at the format, the more I just think "oh, 9 gadgets, 3 limiter, 3 Ultimate Offering, sounds fun bro" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jazz 4709 Report post Posted May 4, 2016 36 minutes ago, Logic said: @Jazz, I'm confident there are normal monsters, ocg vanilla fusions, and ritual monsters I'm missing. I'm 90% sure every semi-playable card is listed, but the more I look at the format, the more I just think "oh, 9 gadgets, 3 limiter, 3 Ultimate Offering, sounds fun bro" Sure that's a gimmicky deck, but I doubt it's consistent. After all this is clearly a fun format and not super serious. I would give it a try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
