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Solstice    389

First off I'm sorry this game wasn't as fun as I wanted it to be, I know the lack of traditional nightkills made getting reads difficult and timezone issues didn't work out the greatest for everybody.  That said I've gotten more subs signed up for this game than I have any other I've run, so I think it was a good set up idea in theory if not in practice, and if nothing else it was something different from the usual matrix 6 which is what always seems to be run here when the player base is pretty dead.  Thanks to everyone who approved, played, or agreed to sub; I couldn't have done it without you!  

 

night actions: 

 

 

N1: 

 

Tyranno protects PSK

JC wants to lynch either Jazz or wunter tomorrow, and suggested priming either tyranno or faint.  Malcolm never posts in the QT at all and JC never comes back to finalize an answer, so I basically end up coinflipping their night action between tyranno and faint, with a stern warning that if this happens again they’ll be subbed out and/or forfeit their night action. It ended up being faint.  
 

 N2

 Scum prime PSK

 Tyranno heals Malcolm.  I LOL so hard.  

 

N3

 Tyranno protects faint.

 Scum prime Jazz

 

 

As far as MVP / honorable mentions, Wunter, Faint, and Jazz are all in the running here.  Wunter nailed both JC and Malcolm day one and stuck with them throughout the game, but never really explained to town why he scumread them and as such couldn't lead others to follow him.  Faint correctly outed JC day 2 for pocketing Jazz, but backtracked on it when none of town believed him at the time.  Jazz identified the team day 3 based on JC's behavior towards lynching Maloclm at the end of day 2, but it took him a little longer to get there than it did wunter and faint.  I think I'm going to give Jazz MVP for getting town to coordinate a hammer so scum couldn't intervene at the last second, but faint and wunter still both did very well, and you deserve your honorable mentions.  

 

As far as LVP...probably between soph/malcolm/psk.  Soph never had a vote out at EOD for the two days he was alive, and I can't really blame town for lynching him as he was a pretty big question mark.  Malcolm got outed for not contributing, and didn't really fight that hard to stay alive.  PSK was super off on the scum team and I don't think he ever voted either one of them.  I'm probably going to go PSK here just because I think I had higher expectations compared to the others, and it was kind of a big let down to see him going so far in the wrong direction.  I think Soph is/was involved in a hydra game off site, so I can kind of see how his efforts could have been divided between games.  

 

If you have any questions, comments, or concerns; this is the place to voice them.  I'm sure you're all glad for this game to be over, so get the ranting/venting off your chest.  

 

scum chat: https://discord.gg/Erk67Tw 

 
 

Solstice12/02/2017

All your info should be in your role PMs, but for the sake of posterity arso scum iteam is JC + Malcolm. Arsonists have a single factional night action which they must use each night. They may choose to prime a single target, or to ignite all previously primed targets. Firefighter, Trees, and Tree-stumps are all vulnerable to being primed and ignited. Players are not told when they are primed; Arsonists are not told if the priming was successful. If you have any questions, ask away.

 

 


A JC.h has spawned in the server.12/02/2017


JC.h12/02/2017

only night phase comms @Solstice ?


Solstice12/02/2017

I never noticed that, but that is the way they have it set up in the wiki. I don't really think I like that though (someone always inevitably ends up forgetting) so I'll let you guys have day coms and just edit it into the OP that scum have daychat. You'll probably need it with all the stumps hanging around and it taking you at least 2 days to burn anyone.


December 3, 2017

Big Malcolm showed up!12/03/2017


A wild Malcolm appeared.12/03/2017


Malcolm12/03/2017

Nice haha


JC.h12/03/2017

Did I dood something?


Malcolm12/03/2017

No clue


Solstice12/03/2017

You have 24 hours to decide who to douse/prime/whatever.


JC.h12/03/2017

So I want to kill Jazz tomorrow and then Wunter, so I think we douse Tyranno or Faint here.


December 4, 2017

Solstice12/04/2017

@here you guys have less than an hour to make up your minds


Solstice12/04/2017

All I got was JC saying to either prime Tyranno or Faint; Malcolm never gave any input and JC never came back to give a final decision on which one. So I decided to RNG a number; if it was an even number you’d prime Tyranno, if it was an odd number you’d prime Faint. You got an odd number, so I treated your night action as choosing to prime Faint. If you don’t like it, then make sure you reach a decision next time so I don’t have to do this for you. If this happens again you’ll either be priming/igniting nobody and will forfeit your night action, or I’ll sub you out for someone else that can give an answer within the timeframe.(edited)


JC.h12/04/2017

Oh oops

That is much more generous than i would have been

So i will take it


December 5, 2017

Malcolm12/05/2017

Whoops

At work


December 6, 2017

JC.h12/06/2017

Legit question did you forget soph was in the game because i had no clue

Also solstice im sorry people keep bashing day start/end idk why it is so hard to understand you live in a different timezone


Malcolm12/06/2017

no i didnt forget

i posted it to seem town


Solstice12/06/2017

Everyobdy plaing seems like they find the game pretty miserable. I'm hoping its just the fact that it starts slower and will pick up as we get some arso burns going, but eh. At least I have quite the sub list ligned up for once, so I think the idea was good an theory anyway.


JC.h12/06/2017

I have enjoyed the game barring my partner making me do all the work

I wonder if I have to kill him today. Would prefer soph obviously

Forgetting to submit a nk is me being a dumbass not me thinking the game is bad

I am sorry for that


Solstice12/06/2017

I'll be honest, I seriously considered subbing Malcolm out when he didn't post in here at all last night phase. I ended up deciding against it because while “scum should be posting in their QT during the night phase” is common sense, I don’t think it was technically listed as a rule anywhere, so I decided to do a warning first. I don’t blame you as much, I figured you were just waiting for Malcolm to weigh in, which obviously never happened. You at least had an outline of what you wanted to do anyway.


JC.h12/06/2017

I wouldnt have minded

Malcolm just dies on day3 anyway


Malcolm12/06/2017

You don't force sub someone out

And no, you don't kill me here when there are easy mislynches around


Solstice12/06/2017

It was basically the same idea as force subbing out someone who doesn't make quota. Chosing a night action is essentially part of your "quota" as scum, as it is with town doc or cop using their actions at night. If a scum or a PR is failing to use their night action for no good reason, then I believe it's best for their faction if they're subbed out for someone who will. JC at least made an attempt and gave me something to work with, you didn't even show up to suggest anything or discuss with your partner. I think it would have been justified.


JC.h12/06/2017

Malcolm make posts if you dont want to die


Malcolm12/06/2017

Nah

You wanted to bus me so feel free to ride that train you've created


Malcolm12/06/2017

I could have very easily floated


Malcolm12/06/2017

Who knows what could happen now!

Good old firefighter psk might save the day


JC.h12/06/2017

Solid enough posts i think i can justify switching to soph or wunter now

Thank you


Malcolm12/06/2017

Just don't prime jazz

He is a game winning stump

Well

Chances of him being firefightered by psk are near zero unless I get lunched today


JC.h12/06/2017

I was thinking just prime PSK?


Malcolm12/06/2017

Yeah


Solstice12/06/2017

You have 24 hours to decide your night action


JC.h12/06/2017

Douse psk unless malc says something elsr

We are much better at it this time around


Solstice12/06/2017


Malcolm12/06/2017

That was a hilariously bad switch

Why would they switch lol


JC.h12/06/2017

Because this is dgz mafia Jazz and I were the only votes on you, and i switched off which made them feel the need to push elsewhere

This very well could link me to you but we just hope everyone ignores it i guess

What's our plan for tomorrow? You'll definitely still be a hot item.


December 7, 2017

Malcolm12/07/2017

I'll be a hot item but I think jazz looks like an easy kill. Wunter is still a good lynch before one of us dies


JC.h12/07/2017

It'll be hard for me to throw a vote at Jazz given how linked we got in the thread.

I will probably try to go for Wunter again.


Malcolm12/07/2017

yeah douse psk


December 8, 2017

Malcolm12/08/2017

Tsk tsk jc

To be fair, jazz is correct, even if how he got there is wrong


JC.h12/08/2017

Yeah I figured it would happen I was being wishywashy on you

But I figured i shouldnt just kill you either when other options were there


Malcolm12/08/2017

it was how you did it

jazz made the correct read


JC.h12/08/2017

Yeah I'm aware.

It happens sometimes. PSK could still throw.


December 9, 2017

Solstice12/09/2017

Malcolm got lynched and so can no longer post in here. If you could decide your night action within the next 9 hours so I can start at the same time today as opposed to waiting all the way until tomorrow, that would be great.


JC.h12/09/2017

Prime Jazz


December 10, 2017

Hello. Is it Chumley you're looking for?12/10/2017


Ready player BuildTheWalia12/10/2017


BuildTheWalia12/10/2017

Nice discussion


We've been expecting you Jazz12/10/2017


JC.h12/10/2017

Lmao right?


December 11, 2017

A wild Malcolm appeared.12/11/2017

 

 

 

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BuildTheWalia    250

This game setup seems sort of town biased imo, but looking at the wiki page scum won 2/3 games. It was nice to keep posting after the mislynch, but I don't think either of us stumps made the most of it. Glad I didn't scream for blood as soon as d2 came up, at least.

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Didn't play out my role well at all. Jazz most assuredly is MVP. I was proud to once again be able to be led to victory by you.  

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Jazz    5327

Good job team. Sorry for getting so emotional PSK. You always think I'm scum no matter what I do. I felt hopeless when you came out swinging for me 3 days in a row, even after I felt like I solved the game on D3 and did everything I could to demonstrate that I was town (work, posts, conclusions, identifying scum).

 

Sophocles, I'm sorry but you were a better lynch than wunter. Recognizing that at the end of D2 doesn't make me scum. In fact that lynch was very pro-town. My preference was malcolm but that lynch was not possible given the end of the day and the lack of votes. Not seeing JC as scum in real time doesn't make me scum. Do you always lynch the right people as town? I don't think so. Anyway, you were on my radar as a suspect throughout D2 but I don't think you were reading the game, so why say "definitely kill jazz" at mylo as a stump?

 

That said I made mistakes this game too of course, as I do every game. Obviously I tunneled Walia with thin reasoning on day one, which I've noticed is a recurrent weakness in my town game (I did it to faint in JC's game). Maybe I shouldn't settle on who I want to lynch on day one until late in the day. I don't know. I also got triggered by wunter's remarks at the start of day 2 but I was able to work out of it by asking him questions. Thanks for keeping your head up wunter. That was great. You posted yourself clear. That was huge for us.

 

As for Tyranno I think you should be more transparent with your town play. You are a bit cryptic and your thoughts seem to be half-shared with the thread. I think that's why PSK was reading you as scum and I could totally see his perspective there. I think you probably should have claimed on D3 as I was prompting you to do. You were in danger of being lynched in fact, since PSK was going to vote you and it would only take one more town vote on you for the mislynch. I thought that meant the firefighter had to be PSK because there was no claim.

 

Faint you played solid, transparent town. Good job. I couldn't really understand what you were trying to establish with the JC+me connection. I thought you were implying that was the scum team. But eventually I got what you were saying and agreed with it.

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»JC.    4973

i was going to just kill malcolm day2 and i think i would have won off that, but i second guessed myself when he complained in the qt. Too late to backtrack at that point though

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Jazz    5327

@Solstice I know you have a busy work schedule but is there any way you can start/end days at a different time? Perhaps in the mornings? This way europeans can be awake for end of day. I think this is important for gameplay whenever day phases are on the order of days and not weeks.

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Jazz    5327
10 minutes ago, JC. said:

i was going to just kill malcolm day2 and i think i would have won off that, but i second guessed myself when he complained in the qt. Too late to backtrack at that point though

 

Probably would have worked. I think you would have fooled me had you not switched to wunter. You had psk pocketed too. All it would take is to lynch soph and one more person after that. You may have even won a counter claim against tyranno.

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»JC.    4973

so really let's just blame malcolm :P

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Solstice    389
2 hours ago, Jazz said:

@Solstice I know you have a busy work schedule but is there any way you can start/end days at a different time? Perhaps in the mornings? This way europeans can be awake for end of day. I think this is important for gameplay whenever day phases are on the order of days and not weeks.

I am unable to end days in the morning because I don't have time before work to update/check votecounts, post flips, notify people that day has ended and they need to get their night actions in, etc.  I'm not going to wake up even earlier just for a mafia game, especially since even on my days off I usually sleep the whole morning away anyways.  If I have the day off or work a short shift I could possibly start / end day in the afternoon (2 PM CST or later)  but the majority of my work shifts eat up all of the afternoon and early-mid evening, leaving me only nights to work with.  (So I can't promise start/end could stay at that time, so I go with nights for consistency.)   I don't even get home until half past nine most days, and then I still need to go back over the whole thread to update votecounts, answer questions players asked, etc.  As much as I wish I could be more flexible my work schedule doesn't allow it.  Being trapped away from home for 10+ hours sucks, but I gotta do what I gotta do.  

 

To further expand on this, the first game of mafia I hosted here (matrix 6) had days start/end at 9:30 PM CST (about right when I'd get home).  As a start time this was fine, but when it came to ending days I was usually late because I didn't factor in that I'd still need time to go back and get an updated votecount.  This also didn't leave any time before end of day to answer last minute player questions, and relied on players keeping track of vote counts themselves mostly.  Thankfully I had crei to help host this one, so it wasn't as awful as it could have been since they took care of a lot of that for me while I was away, but it made me realize I needed to push it back farther. 

 

Family mafia had a start/end time of 10 PM CST.  I was able to get an updated votecount and answer player questions before EOD this way, but it only left a few minutes to spare, and getting trapped late at work still really hurt.  It's what ultimately lead me to pushing it back a half an hour further for this one.  TBH I felt like I could have ended day for this one slightly earlier, but then again I didn't have as many late shifts this time around, so I think it's about the best I can hope for.  And I don't want to push it back too much farther than what I had it at this time as I still need to sleep, and some time for myself before I go to bed where I don't have to be focusing on the game would be nice.  

 

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ZeroPassion    706

I actually loved reading this game and know how rusty i am at this game.

 

That said, I really hope we are able to control our emotions and put them in check instead of vocalizing them in game. We are better than that. Enough of this hilarity bullshit. Throw a stress ball, write it on paper for aftergame, etc. It can be frustrating that ppl don't believe you but you are NOT the only person who has experienced it. If you say you are, congratulations, many years of mafia online will not only show your way out the door but kick your ass as well. I stay mellow because I've been fucked over many times but I'm overall a controlled person. I will say that once and I'm not apologizing for the person I am. 

 

I have literally zero beef with anyone on the site but if you're trying to get better then please make and effort and if you cannot realize it, then you've already lost.

 

Good shit this game tho. Jazz making a statement. 

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ZeroPassion    706
14 minutes ago, BuildTheWalia said:

@ZeroPassion When are you coming back bb

when i sober up

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hahaha gottems

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ZeroPassion    706

oops that means never

 

probably after finals? (after the 20th)

 

wisconsin is really fucking tough in terms of grading

 

i cannot believe i go to school here, it's been a dream come true.

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oops forgot the date! haha!

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Jazz    5327

Next game I vow to show no emotions whatsoever. I will be a mafiabot

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ZeroPassion    706
Just now, Jazz said:

Next game I vow to show no emotions whatsoever. I will be a mafiabot

My username is ZeroPassion for a reason.

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Jazz    5327

Playing with zeropassion again would be cool. Maybe we can even get scumwood to stop his protest thing now that nobody even remembers what he was protesting about

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Faint    5855
3 hours ago, Jazz said:

Good job team. Sorry for getting so emotional PSK. You always think I'm scum no matter what I do. I felt hopeless when you came out swinging for me 3 days in a row, even after I felt like I solved the game on D3 and did everything I could to demonstrate that I was town (work, posts, conclusions, identifying scum).

 

Sophocles, I'm sorry but you were a better lynch than wunter. Recognizing that at the end of D2 doesn't make me scum. In fact that lynch was very pro-town. My preference was malcolm but that lynch was not possible given the end of the day and the lack of votes. Not seeing JC as scum in real time doesn't make me scum. Do you always lynch the right people as town? I don't think so. Anyway, you were on my radar as a suspect throughout D2 but I don't think you were reading the game, so why say "definitely kill jazz" at mylo as a stump?

 

That said I made mistakes this game too of course, as I do every game. Obviously I tunneled Walia with thin reasoning on day one, which I've noticed is a recurrent weakness in my town game (I did it to faint in JC's game). Maybe I shouldn't settle on who I want to lynch on day one until late in the day. I don't know. I also got triggered by wunter's remarks at the start of day 2 but I was able to work out of it by asking him questions. Thanks for keeping your head up wunter. That was great. You posted yourself clear. That was huge for us.

 

As for Tyranno I think you should be more transparent with your town play. You are a bit cryptic and your thoughts seem to be half-shared with the thread. I think that's why PSK was reading you as scum and I could totally see his perspective there. I think you probably should have claimed on D3 as I was prompting you to do. You were in danger of being lynched in fact, since PSK was going to vote you and it would only take one more town vote on you for the mislynch. I thought that meant the firefighter had to be PSK because there was no claim.

 

Faint you played solid, transparent town. Good job. I couldn't really understand what you were trying to establish with the JC+me connection. I thought you were implying that was the scum team. But eventually I got what you were saying and agreed with it.

Cheers, yeah i didnt think you were scum at all - i was saying it was jc. I didnt see the purpose in following through as nobody was gonna side with me, and i was also scum reading soph so went that way instead. After that, it was apways jc and malcolm - malcolms advice to me when we played scum together was "target 1 person ignore the rest" whoch i saw him doing, so was pretty certain it was the right lynch

 

Jazz and wunter both played really well here. Jc you misplayed in not bussing malcolm :) but your hands seemed tied tbh haha - i would still have gunned for you d3 but odk if i couldve persuaded all of town if you had bussed

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Faint    5855

I enjoyed tbis game, thank you @Solstice

 

The no nk thing made it tougher to make reads but having 1 less scum balanced it pretty well

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Faint    5855
1 hour ago, ZeroPassion said:

@Faint I now know what drunk posting is

You havent reached my level until you fill 2 game thread pages with drunken disney lyrics

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ZeroPassion    706
Just now, Faint said:

You havent reached my level until you fill 2 game thread pages with drunken disney lyrics

THE SNOW GLOWS WHITE ON THE MOUNTAIN TONIGHT

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