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Just saw this, was pretty good if you're a fan. Thoughts?

I was disappointed at first but I felt that it got better as it progressed, especially the end -

the kid using the Force to grab his broom was a very nice touch.

 

I'd put more effort into a post but it's 3am lmao

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+Urthor    10210

Thought it was great, at its best it was the best Star wars of all, really is the complete opposite of Ep7 which I felt was a shot by shot remake of Ep 4, definitely better than the original trilogy.  Thing is it had some almighty mistakes mixed in that are pretty inexcusable and are going to trigger the internet.  

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Faint    5839

I thought it was brilliant, but..

 

urthor is a loser



my only real qualm was that it took a bit long because of the constant sub plots wrapped up in the plot, it wove together well but it felt like it was taking a bit long to get to the main chunk of the story

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Wasn't a big fan of the kiss towards the end. It felt a bit like the chemistry was too forced, too quick. I also didn't like the slightly higher amount of humour (for the same reason why Jar Jar didn't quite fit into the Star Wars universe), but eh. Snoke's death was also a bit underwhelming and leaves several questions which may not be answered in episode 9 (given how much control he had over the force, why was he unable to sense Kylo's betrayal?)



 

In general though it felt a lot less like fanservice compared to 7, sure there were bits but it felt relevant to the plot as opposed to "hey this will make people watch it!" - I was glad about this. Poe does feel a bit like a replacement Han at times, though.

Glad Luke is now dead, it's obviously necessary so that he doesn't overshadow Rey - and speaking of Rey, I also very much like that she isn't related to Kylo or Luke or anyone. The fact that she is a nobody is important imo.

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+Gemstone Mine    2596
 

 


this trilogy is quickly running into a villain problem. OG Vader was a monster, the Emperor was solid, Maul was solid, Palaptine was on point (aside from a couple of moments there where he lost his friggin mind), Grevious was an excellent concept with mediocre execution, Dooku was shit, but 5/6 aint bad, but no one here really feels like a big bad. Ren occasionally acts like it, but on average feels like a complete pawn, although this movie did a much better job of pushing him towards being a villain and I'm hopeful he's going to grow fully into it by the 3rd one, and Hux is a massive self-serving bastard, but doesn't really feel like a boss (and him getting loki'd like twice did not help). Don't even get me started on Snoke. And chance of him shaping up to be the big bad died with that golden bathrobe that made him look like he just got out of the shower. His death was less about 'yes, the bad guys is dead', and more like 'yes, I don't have to watch this guy anymore'

 

Other than that, it was fantastic, personally my 2nd favorite behind Empire. They made the humor come out of situations, not actually trying to be funny usually, which works way better, the tone was great, the characters were much better designed and fleshed out (on the rebel side at any rate), and the plot was interesting.

 

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+Mascis    4553

at first i thought the movie was bad but now i think it was actually pretty good

 



luke drinks milk from the titty...freak boul

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N e J i    902

The Force Awakens was so simple and clean that this felt even more convoluted than it actually was (though it was indeed convoluted).

 

I loved the use of red in Snoke's room and at the end. The whole Snoke + Red Troopers vs Rey + Kylo Ren was pretty fantastic.

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»PSK    4447


Initially thought I liked the movie but I think it was more like "this is Star Wars. Star Wars has to be good so obviously the movie was good". It's really not good. 

My issues with the movie:
Turned Hux into a punching bag and the butt of every joke. In The Force Awakens, Hux was a highly ambitious character driven into conflict with Kylo to attain leadership. Here he's a scared comedic relief side character.
The entire Casino scene was unnecessary. There was no need to gain a code breaker. DJ's only purpose was to alert the First Order to the escaping pods which was only relevant because they stated they weren't tracking small craft. Actually just Deus Ex Machina'd their own Deus Ex Machina. 
Introduced a new character in Holdo to sacrifice themselves for the rebellion while the legendary admiral ackbar dies off screen. 
Constant shitty jokes
Introduced new character in Rose who did absolutely nothing for the progression of the story and wouldn't have had any emotional tether to the movie if not for her sister dying. Forced love story between her and Finn. 
Reys parentage is answered in a brief: "Your parents were nobodies" "Oh yeah; you're right!". I think it's great that they're nobodies but the way it was revealed was shockingly bad.
Luke's lightsaber being discarded without any explanation or questioning by Luke as to how Rey came into possession of it. 
Luke tries to kill Kylo. Luke, the character that sees the light in Darth Vader has a longer-than-a-split-second decision to murder his nephew. 
The Leia flying scene was both a visually unbelievable disaster verging on the comical as well as a moment of complete detachment from Leia's character. 
Holdo doesn't explain the plan to Poe for quite literally no reason. Hiding information from characters simply to hide information from the viewer. 

Things I liked:
The choreography on the lightsaber fight in the Supremacy was amazing. I've never seen it so beautifully handled in a Star Wars movie before and the differing fighting styles made it all the better. 
Adam Driver's performance was incredible and I cannot praise him enough for his attempt to carry the entire movie on his back. Believable and honestly a better tortured villain than we ever saw from Anakin. 

There are times when good movies can have flaws or when bad movies can have glimpses of brilliance. Sadly, to me, this was the latter. Cannot be happier that JJ Abrams is back in command for IX. I hope he can reestablish some of these characters as being more than vapid bodies for lighthearted "humour" and pose interesting questions and theories to reengage viewers for future installments. 

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man so many people love to bash this tri but i like what they're doin w/ the buildup; especially after hearing some possible theories

like a theory been out talkin bout how similar to luke being a force ghost at the end, snoke was also a force ghost when he was "killed" by ren (hence he's not really dead): as illustrated here

additionally, a funny critique in the beginning made by ben shapiro questions the possibility of bombs falling onto a space craft in SPACE, lol!

nonetheless, after leavin the theater only a few things bothered me really, that being;

-leia magic powers to fly across space 

-the lackluster showcasing of master jedi luke's skill set before his death

-the like 20-30 mins of the show bein finn + rose lil irrelevant sidestory was hella gay

-the unease of anticipating another story of anakin/ben becoming the sith and luke/rei becoming the good guy changin ben's ways

 

i think there was real good potential for sumn unprecedented if rei + ben actually teamed up or sumn tho

but the cool part bout this ep is how many paths the next installment can take; leaves me wonderin

aside from that, the positives are pretty great:

-how visually stunnin the ep was produced

-how well the actors performed

-the next gen of force-sensitive kids being teased at the end

-the foreshadowin for followin installments

-the character development (ben, rei, etc)

 

so yh i liked it; gotta kno who's rei parents tho!!!

 

spoilers m8

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+Malcolm    4603

the movie was fucking horrible.

 

the phantom menace was better and, no, i'm not kidding

 

fuck the director for this

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4 hours ago, sec said:
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man so many people love to bash this tri but i like what they're doin w/ the buildup; especially after hearing some possible theories

like a theory been out talkin bout how similar to luke being a force ghost at the end, snoke was also a force ghost when he was "killed" by ren (hence he's not really dead): as illustrated here

additionally, a funny critique in the beginning made by ben shapiro questions the possibility of bombs falling onto a space craft in SPACE, lol!

nonetheless, after leavin the theater only a few things bothered me really, that being;

-leia magic powers to fly across space 

-the lackluster showcasing of master jedi luke's skill set before his death

-the like 20-30 mins of the show bein finn + rose lil irrelevant sidestory was hella gay

-the unease of anticipating another story of anakin/ben becoming the sith and luke/rei becoming the good guy changin ben's ways

 

i think there was real good potential for sumn unprecedented if rei + ben actually teamed up or sumn tho

but the cool part bout this ep is how many paths the next installment can take; leaves me wonderin

aside from that, the positives are pretty great:

-how visually stunnin the ep was produced

-how well the actors performed

-the next gen of force-sensitive kids being teased at the end

-the foreshadowin for followin installments

-the character development (ben, rei, etc)

 

so yh i liked it; gotta kno who's rei parents tho!!!

 

spoilers m8

dont you think its kind of weird to say the movie has great potential for future installments when the potential you're talking about are born of theories founded on the possibility that certain people didn't actually die? i definitely didn't leave the movie contemplating theories because well the movie didn't leave any questions or mysteries for fans to talk about (and you really have to twist the events of the movies to come up with any theories here). 



character development is also a weird point to me but i've seen a lot of people make that point as a positive of the movie. if anything, kylo is the only one to have character development. hux, luke, snoke, and rey were all arguably devolved as characters to ensure that kylo had more depth to his character and was a more believable villain. (Hux becomes kylo's pet to show kylo's leadership, luke becomes a nephew killer for audience empathy towards kylo, snoke is swiftly struck down so kylo can become the supreme leader, and rey serves as an emotional tether for kylo with her own parentage an afterthought and her "going straight to the dark side" an unexplored trait). finn and rose, as you pointed out, was irrelevant and finn's character also devolved into yet again running away from the battle thus losing all character development from the force awakens. honestly it felt to me that rian johnson wanted to build a strong villain in kylo and achieved it by discarding other characters or twisting their fundamentals to get the audience invested more in this bright shiny new bad guy for disney's sequel trilogy.

im sure retaining marketable characters in future was the deciding factor in a lot of this but it just sucks that the movie is receiving such praise or that fans are so eager to buy into the disney machine of star wars becoming a cookie cutter franchise of misplaced quips and marvel goodness

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dont you think its kind of weird to say the movie has great potential for future installments when the potential you're talking about are born of theories founded on the possibility that certain people didn't actually die? i definitely didn't leave the movie contemplating theories because well the movie didn't leave any questions or mysteries for fans to talk about (and you really have to twist the events of the movies to come up with any theories here). 

 


character development is also a weird point to me but i've seen a lot of people make that point as a positive of the movie. if anything, kylo is the only one to have character development. hux, luke, snoke, and rey were all arguably devolved as characters to ensure that kylo had more depth to his character and was a more believable villain. (Hux becomes kylo's pet to show kylo's leadership, luke becomes a nephew killer for audience empathy towards kylo, snoke is swiftly struck down so kylo can become the supreme leader, and rey serves as an emotional tether for kylo with her own parentage an afterthought and her "going straight to the dark side" an unexplored trait). finn and rose, as you pointed out, was irrelevant and finn's character also devolved into yet again running away from the battle thus losing all character development from the force awakens. honestly it felt to me that rian johnson wanted to build a strong villain in kylo and achieved it by discarding other characters or twisting their fundamentals to get the audience invested more in this bright shiny new bad guy for disney's sequel trilogy.

im sure retaining marketable characters in future was the deciding factor in a lot of this but it just sucks that the movie is receiving such praise or that fans are so eager to buy into the disney machine of star wars becoming a cookie cutter franchise of misplaced quips and marvel goodness

 

 

the potential i mentioned was generally speakin; the theories may be a few, but there's still many ways the movie can go

+ maybe u had nothin to theory or talk about when u finished the movie, but myself + the people i went with did

if u check the vid i hyperlinked with the snook/luke theory, it's not as far fetched as you'd think; there's also more than just that 2

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+Sophocles    3074

Sounds like I'm not gonna watch this one

I think it's still better to pretend IV V VI were the only Star Wars movies :^)

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+Gemstone Mine    2596
4 hours ago, Sophocles said:

Sounds like I'm not gonna watch this one

I think it's still better to pretend IV V VI were the only Star Wars movies :^)

watch it and form your own opinion. In general, you either loved it or you loathed it.

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HououinKyouma    806
11 hours ago, Malcolm said:

the movie was fucking horrible.

 

the phantom menace was better and, no, i'm not kidding

 

fuck the director for this

I walked out of tlj thinking this as well, so I rewatched tpm. Nostalgia glasses aside this and tpm are actually equally horrible in completely opposite ways.

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HououinKyouma    806
19 minutes ago, N e J i said:

Both have amazing lightsaber fights though...

Only one of those lightsaber duels had a fantastic and memorable score though!

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HououinKyouma    806
33 minutes ago, N e J i said:

Agreed. John Williams really outdid himself with Duel of the Fates.

temp music even killed JW. It's insane.

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+Urthor    10210
On 23/12/2017 at 0:18 PM, HououinKyouma said:

temp music even killed JW. It's insane.

 

wait what, was Duel of the fates temp music? errrrrrrrrrrrrr

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+Mascis    4553
On 12/22/2017 at 4:28 AM, sec said:
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man so many people love to bash this tri but i like what they're doin w/ the buildup; especially after hearing some possible theories

like a theory been out talkin bout how similar to luke being a force ghost at the end, snoke was also a force ghost when he was "killed" by ren (hence he's not really dead): as illustrated here

additionally, a funny critique in the beginning made by ben shapiro questions the possibility of bombs falling onto a space craft in SPACE, lol!

nonetheless, after leavin the theater only a few things bothered me really, that being;

-leia magic powers to fly across space 

-the lackluster showcasing of master jedi luke's skill set before his death

-the like 20-30 mins of the show bein finn + rose lil irrelevant sidestory was hella gay

-the unease of anticipating another story of anakin/ben becoming the sith and luke/rei becoming the good guy changin ben's ways

 

i think there was real good potential for sumn unprecedented if rei + ben actually teamed up or sumn tho

but the cool part bout this ep is how many paths the next installment can take; leaves me wonderin

aside from that, the positives are pretty great:

-how visually stunnin the ep was produced

-how well the actors performed

-the next gen of force-sensitive kids being teased at the end

-the foreshadowin for followin installments

-the character development (ben, rei, etc)

 

so yh i liked it; gotta kno who's rei parents tho!!!

 

spoilers m8

Tell Ben shapiro is a dumb Disney movie ya little fuck boys lol

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HououinKyouma    806
16 hours ago, Urthor said:

 

wait what, was Duel of the fates temp music? errrrrrrrrrrrrr

nah just commenting how unmemorable the entire disney trilogy's music has been. It's pretty embarrassing. I mean for god sake, music is like 50% sw.

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