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ZeroPassion    695

Well, y'all were some of the dumbest nigga last year, and that has not changed this year. God DAMN this was embarrassing. 

 

/sarcasm

 

It was a decent game to say the least.

 

Town was a bit too wrapped up on Faint, although their play less than decent. Unfrotunately the Cop scanned Faint n1 and didn't attempt to save them in order to move the lynch elsewhere. The reasons scum were caught were correct, though. 

 

Scum did not coordinate any attempt to move agenda, whether it was because of not being online, or inability to do so. Scum shot themselves in the foot.

 

The one thing i noticed were the WiFoM assumptions and the "i wouldn't do this as scum" sort of things said that should be avoided as indicative of a certain alignment. i think some players did not think as critical of the phase as they could have, but we'll work on it.

 

Another thing we should all realize that this is a game where ANYTHING is suspicious. Don't get mad that you're being called out.

 

Scum QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/bUfyEZYps4CVk

Host QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/jxD7NWPmR2A 

 

The players who so rightfully went through the trials and tribulations necessary to finish this game. My thoughts as a whole...

 

TheGoldenTyranno: One downfall was too much credit to Solstice for the "i'm TOWN! YAY" post in the beginning. Good catch on Solstice for them discussing a potential jailkeep as the doctor. Nothing else of note other than trying to act like scum was already caught in the beginning which I don't perceive as helpful. Rather cocky. 

 

Jazz: I thought you played well. I think you should have reconsidered other poor play over Faint when it occurred. 

 

BuildTheWalia: Your cop play was less than to be desired. You kept silent on Faint and could have pushed an endgame where scum would have to NK you and Faint. The lynch very well could have went to Solstice in the case you were more vocal on the lynch rather than passive. Jazz scan I thought was a tad peculiar and would have been better on someone else. Be more aggressive and not a sheep.

 

Sophocles: You were an immense asset to town. Your reads are unrivaled in the community and your positivity is an example to us all. The way you outsmarted the scumteam by getting Night killed N1, right after nailing the crucial evidence on the wall against them, was marvelous to watch. Your posting style is gracious and your mechanical mafia skill impeccable. Most of all, despite all this, you remains a humble part of the community. Better than Tyranno's cocky attitude. 

 

Solstice: I think you need to panic less and plan more. Spread an agenda, don't watch town roll you over the game, even though you have rolled scum many times in a row. I also think you need to be less critical on others, as well as less defensive and push instead. The low post thing you defended was not a good look. 

 

Faint: When you keep getting lynched, it may not be idiot town all the time. You need to make more clear what you're trying to say as some stuff may be simple to you, but not so much to others. Less partner connections, more people on their own. Certain scenarios that "had to have happened" are not always what have happened, either.

 

Jap Nick: Your notes are cluttered and lists do not project towniness on their own. This section also does not have maturity issues when one person says fuck you to you, although I agree what Solstice said was poor. Don't call the site a bunch of idiots when your play meets those idiot standards. The players have to know you are not afk but busy instead, right? They might as well have read your mind and knew you should have been the lynch of the day anyway. The pace of MafiaUniverse is much faster than here, and believe me, you'd be chewed up and spit right out the way you played here. If you want to encourage activity, then push it regardless of alignment. Push your own agenda, especially as scum. The pace of this game would be comparable to that of DNF back in the day. If you're going to leave, leave quietly. You have nothing to defend if we are all idiots. 

 

Wunterslaus: I didn't see much of note from you this game. I think you need to more aggressive and less a sheep.

 

Mascis: I would peg you to be the player who was the most correct, but the least into the game. Less lists, less dumb floaty nigga, more pushy pushy and communicate.

 

Thanks for playing, everyone!

 

 

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ZeroPassion    695

Oh, another thing, if you say let's kill x, make sure you put out a vote for them and unvote your previous player if anything, too. 

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Wunterslaus    192

I'm sooo sorry for reaching majority early :$

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Wunterslaus    192

I think I was pretty aggresive when I thought the team was Walia and Faint, but later in D1 when I began to think they were probably not on the same team I became a bit hesitant and found myself agreeing with most of what was said.

D3 went good imo

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1 minute ago, Wunterslaus said:

I think I was pretty aggresive when I thought the team was Walia and Faint, but later in D1 when I began to think they were probably not on the same team I became a bit hesitant and found myself agreeing with most of what was said.

D3 went good imo

Yeah, I feel yah. I thought I was on the money with Japnick and Faint and I became a little less certain when my expected scumteam fell through

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Faint    5711

Thank you for a very interesting game, ZeroPassion.

 

I apologize to all - I overthought and made a lot of "next level" connections - often wrongly, which I need to work on and re-simplify my game. 

 

Jazz and I often get caught up in going for each other which I guess we need to work on in terms of reading each others play :')

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Faint    5711

Definitely agree with your evaluation on my play, ZP - something I'll work on improving.

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Mascis    4478

People should just listen to me cause I’m always right /thread

 

 

for real though I’m not great at really explaining why I think the way I do on people most of the time other than “I read his posts, he’s the most scum”. Mechanics / setups I’m better with. 

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Faint    5711

hey jap nick - it was entirely your own fault you died and blaming anyone else on your shortcomings really shouldn't be a factor - you deserved to be lynched. all that whining and bitching about not being in mafia games; then you play in one and don't post then act like a little bitch. 

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Sophocles    2948

@Solstice yeah you get scumread every game for 'infrequent posting' but that's what you do every game regardless of alignment, idgi. I sympathize.

 

 

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Sophocles    2948

I said this in the discord but Jap Nick's analysis post was pretty bad and he definitely deserved to get lynched for it. Sucks to die D1 but people get lynched D1 for less.

 

That said I'm sorry you had a bad time m8

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BuildTheWalia    197
44 minutes ago, Sophocles said:

Walia's a meme btw

 

Vote Solstice

'Kill wunter'

Peace

I would say "my bad" but is it really my bad since it was the correct play in the end?

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ZeroPassion    695
9 minutes ago, BuildTheWalia said:

I would say "my bad" but is it really my bad since it was the correct play in the end?

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Jazz    5066

"I NEED to kill the PR if I want to live. Jazz made a comment earlier about how "nick must have thought he was vanilla" meaning jazz could be PR, but then again that might just be Jazz bait."

 

GOTTEM!

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Solstice    375

The "Joy to the World" thing popped in my head when I signed up before I even knew my alignment due to a combination of too much Christmas music, me figuring I'd finally get to be town this time since I got scum three times prior, and trying to figure out how I wanted to enter the thread when it went up since my first post is usually what gets attacked the most.  Even though I ended up rolling scum I thought I'd post it anyway since it was still somewhat close to Christmas and it should help me look townish since it didn't come from a scum perspective.  Tyranno was technically correct that the idea came from town Solstice, but everyone else was also very correct on saying it's easy to fake and so should be taken with a grain of salt.  

 

Time for my usual thoughts on everybody I guess.

 

Walia: If walia had been VT I think I'd have had him as MVP for sure considering how good his analysis on nick's stuff was, but unfortunately his play as a power role wasn't the best.  He should have claimed to save faint as there was always the chance of doc being there to save him, and even if there wasn't a doc him dying N 2 would prevent scum from fake claiming doc later like I did.   I also should have 100% been the scan N 2 seeing as how everybody wanted to lynch me.

 

Wunter: You didn't start out great but I think you hit your stride at the very end.  You were 100% correct that the comment I made about faint, walia, and your day 1 read history was a way to set up future mislynches for the three of you.  Unfortunately it didn't pan out, but I have nobody to blame but myself for that considering how bad I messed up with the jailkeeper thing.  

 

Mascis: Despite being right on your reads very early on I don't think you played that well.  You didn't explain your reads and trustlists much if at all, and didn't do much to work with the rest of town.  Though to be honest I was terrified of you being a PR as I thought you'd target and out me for sure, but decided I had to risk it as killing you when you'd done nothing but tunnel me would have made me look way too suspicious.  

 

Soph: very good, much wow, I had to kill you early on again as usual. Sorry.   I don't know how you manage to project town that easy but I'm super envious and would love any pointers you have.  

 

Nick: Sorry again for letting my temper get the better of me and not taking a cool down period first.  I suppose I should have made more of an effort to save you even if it'd have looked forced considering it was your first game back after so long and dying right off the bat couldn't have been very fun.  I need to learn to focus more on the long term effects of things rather than the here and now. 

 

Faint: Unfortunately this was one of the worst games I've seen out of you, and that made you a very easy lynch target despite how bad nick slipped up on me.  One or two people pushing you could just be scum or misguided town, but when you have a horde on your tail it's usually a sign your play has been sloppy and you need to kick it up a notch.  I have problems with this too and it's something I need to work on improving, but you're a far better player than I am so I'm sure you won't be stuck in a rut for too long.  

 

Jazz: Way to bait me into killing you Jazz.  PR mechanics aside you were pretty much leading the town anyway, so leaving you alive would still have been risky unless I thought you'd keep your townread on me or I could turn everyone else against you.  Obviously I read the gamestate very poorly as I think you said in discord you'd begun suspecting tyranno and I thought someone in thread mentioned it was weird you got killed when you were starting to be suspected, but live and learn I guess.  I wish I knew how you always got the thread to follow you, it'd be nice for pushing all these scum agendas I seem to be stuck with lately.  >.> 

 

Tyranno: I don't really have a lot to say on your play other than sadness that you caught my huge slip up.  Though reading the OP more carefully probably would be a good start since I was apparently the only one that knew doc could self heal, so if there had actually been a doc and you guys voted them because "docs don't self heal" then you would have shot yourselves in the foot.  Otherwise you weren't ever really suspected for scum much so good job on that I guess.  

 

ZP: Thank you for hosting, thank you for putting up with the drama in the QT, and thanks for taking the time go go through and analyze everybody's play and offer tips for improvement.  I know it takes quite a while when I do it, and I think yours are far more in depth than mine.  Also huge thanks for the host notes so we can see what you thought of everything as it was unfolding, I really wish more people would do these as I love reading them (even though it's usually saying how I messed up :CRY:).  

 

After walia caught the slip up about me in the nick post I think I would have always had at least a small target on my back even if I had managed to radiate "shining beacon of town" throughout the game, but obviously I fell way short of that and then made a major slip up of my own to boot.  I just want to be town again where I don't have to worry about dying, getting outed by PRs, or stressing over the wording of every post.   Unfortunately work is getting busy again so it likely won't be for awhile, but I hope I can put up a better challenge for you guys next time.  

 

Anyways I had fun for the most part, and I hope you all enjoyed ending my triple scum win streak.  :P

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ニック    17

When I got online to post, no one else posted, period, and we had people online to post (to list one: jazz). I'm more disappointed with the "slow" pace of the game when I am online because no one else is, whether I am on early morning, evening around 7PM, it doesn't matter. No one does a lot of posts after me, if any at all.

I hate that when I post what I can "because no one is active" that I go away, go to sleep, wake up to being "already dead" about 8-10 hours later, so yes i'm definitely pissed when a few voted me because "he is afking, he's scum" logic, when i'm not the type to AFK when people call me out.

 

Zeropassion you are right, I will enjoy it a lot better man, sounds like it with a faster pace, and yes I got a lot to improve on, but people calling me out on it during games rather than after helps me improve better, nothing personal but if I was genuiely VT and posted my thoughts as a whole, the same result would happen and being afk as a "play" being the reason a few voted me has me superiorly salty.

 

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ニック    17
16 hours ago, Sophocles said:

I said this in the discord but Jap Nick's analysis post was pretty bad and he definitely deserved to get lynched for it. Sucks to die D1 but people get lynched D1 for less.

 

That said I'm sorry you had a bad time m8

I get the feeling there are false impressions behind my salt, but if you read the QT you would actually understand the reasons, rather than assuming them Soph :P

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ニック    17

Also when i have a raging PMSing teammate posting in the QT post death shit about me, i'm not going to sideline and let them get away with smack.

I was asleep the entire time I was suspected, and up to the end of the day. Sorry I am so shitty for needing sleep and sorry I can't defend myself because no one's on to question me when I am posting my thoughts. Jazz easily could have questioned me, and sidelined instead, JUST SAYING i had opportunity to defend myself, and it was burnt out.

In any case, I really think i'll be sitting out the next few games, really don't like the drama from it, and I really do not like the inactivity.

If you need a Host LMK

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ニック    17

Willing to try to 24 hour day phase game, but definitely not playing another 48 hour one as long as it can be kept civil 

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Jazz    5066
2 hours ago, ニック said:

When I got online to post, no one else posted, period, and we had people online to post (to list one: jazz). I'm more disappointed with the "slow" pace of the game when I am online because no one else is, whether I am on early morning, evening around 7PM, it doesn't matter. No one does a lot of posts after me, if any at all.

I hate that when I post what I can "because no one is active" that I go away, go to sleep, wake up to being "already dead" about 8-10 hours later, so yes i'm definitely pissed when a few voted me because "he is afking, he's scum" logic, when i'm not the type to AFK when people call me out.

 

Zeropassion you are right, I will enjoy it a lot better man, sounds like it with a faster pace, and yes I got a lot to improve on, but people calling me out on it during games rather than after helps me improve better, nothing personal but if I was genuiely VT and posted my thoughts as a whole, the same result would happen and being afk as a "play" being the reason a few voted me has me superiorly salty.

 

 

It wasn't your list of notes or lack of activity. What made you scum to me was (1) you listed me as 'likely VT', (2) your reads were contradictory and looked like hedging, (3) you didn't vote anyone, (4) you didn't ask anyone questions.

 

Come on dude. This is "scrub mentality", i.e. blaming your personal short comings in a game on the play of others. In case you didn't realize it the town wasn't on your team.

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Jazz    5066

And BTW you should have assumed I was too busy to post even though you saw me reading the thread.

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Sophocles    2948
10 hours ago, Solstice said:

Soph: very good, much wow, I had to kill you early on again as usual. Sorry.   I don't know how you manage to project town that easy but I'm super envious and would love any pointers you have.  

 

I don't do it that consistently, i just have good games where I succeed in pointing out some good stuff and can act constructively off that

if i dont find anything i just drool on myself D1

also it's easy to appear town when you're actually right about your scumreads ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

best tip i have that i executed well this game is if you're town, don't be afraid to make gut reads early and act transparently upon them - e.g. I townread faint, said so, and engaged with him constructively and argued against his lynch. (Which =/= posting a reads list because that's relatively nocommittal) Scum has to take care not to be too transparent because it might lead to ppl figuring out their true agenda.

Just be ready to revise those reads based on good arguments and analysis, bc I also townread you D1 haha

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