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September 2011 Format Scrap

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You need to find room for effect veilers for sure. And why did everybody drop fiendish chain all of a sudden? It is so good against every matchup still, and if they mst it you still simplify the game and do what the deck is meant to do. The card is too great especially against agents lol.
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What is everyone siding? The only deck I'm having trouble with is stun. Rai-oh runs over everything in scrap decks if your not running horns and prevents scrapyard. The only way I have to get over rai-oh is golem and I have to tribute him which is easy if I have a goblin on the field but still.
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What is everyone siding? The only deck I'm having trouble with is stun. Rai-oh runs over everything in scrap decks if your not running horns and prevents scrapyard. The only way I have to get over rai-oh is golem and I have to tribute him which is easy if I have a goblin on the field but still.

oh dear
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What is everyone siding? The only deck I'm having trouble with is stun. Rai-oh runs over everything in scrap decks if your not running horns and prevents scrapyard. The only way I have to get over rai-oh is golem and I have to tribute him which is easy if I have a goblin on the field but still.

oh dear

Problem?
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What is everyone siding? The only deck I'm having trouble with is stun. Rai-oh runs over everything in scrap decks if your not running horns and prevents scrapyard. The only way I have to get over rai-oh is golem and I have to tribute him which is easy if I have a goblin on the field but still.

lol scrap dragon doesn't give any fucks.
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What is everyone siding? The only deck I'm having trouble with is stun. Rai-oh runs over everything in scrap decks if your not running horns and prevents scrapyard. The only way I have to get over rai-oh is golem and I have to tribute him which is easy if I have a goblin on the field but still.

lol scrap dragon doesn't give any fucks.

I forgot scrap dragon gets his effect even when negated. My bad.
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Dark Coffin is the nuts.
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Dark coffin is a waste of space when there are much better cards that can be used to fill its space.
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i hate that now that its a new format everyone is going to revert to shitty builds of this deck with golem, monk, and mained decrees
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i hate that now that its a new format everyone is going to revert to shitty builds of this deck with golem, monk, and mained decrees

Shitty builds? I'm not gonna bother using the fact that a build with monk just topped a regional. Golem is far from bad with 2 call of the haunteds and is a easy scrap twin dragon which wins games. As far as Royal decree being mained, its only bad against decks that don't use traps like monarchs.
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Golem is almost good but it sucks. You just cant afford the dead card in hand.
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3 scrapstorm and 1 golem. Golem has never been a dead draw for me because I never draw it or when I do draw it I have field control and/or tengu on the field which I can tribute and just get another.
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Pretty sure that decree is horrible...as well as mech lord guy. Why would you not play triple pot? Fiendish chain is also amazing in this deck; I don't understand? I think Scraps is probably the best Horn deck of the format being that I believe TG's reliance on backrows is it's downfall.
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i hate that now that its a new format everyone is going to revert to shitty builds of this deck with golem, monk, and mained decrees

Shitty builds? I'm not gonna bother using the fact that a build with monk just topped a regional. Golem is far from bad with 2 call of the haunteds and is a easy scrap twin dragon which wins games. As far as Royal decree being mained, its only bad against decks that don't use traps like monarchs.

oh ok it topped a regional at the beginning of the format it must be good!

it's not like the two biggest decks right now (agents and ls) run very few traps. yeah decree is only bad against monarchs. you're definitely right.
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i hate that now that its a new format everyone is going to revert to shitty builds of this deck with golem, monk, and mained decrees

Shitty builds? I'm not gonna bother using the fact that a build with monk just topped a regional. Golem is far from bad with 2 call of the haunteds and is a easy scrap twin dragon which wins games. As far as Royal decree being mained, its only bad against decks that don't use traps like monarchs.

oh ok it topped a regional at the beginning of the format it must be good!

it's not like the two biggest decks right now (agents and ls) run very few traps. yeah decree is only bad against monarchs. you're definitely right.

I have no issues dealing with agents or LS. LS are probably the easiest match up, I don't understand the hype around them right now. Agents on the other hand ill give you that one. Mained decrees still haven't been a hinderance to me.

Dropped my wisels.
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Sided decrees are good. Main decked are just making the most prevalent matchup even more difficult...
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Sided decrees are good. Main decked are just making the most prevalent matchup even more difficult...


Like I said, I have never had an issue with them mained. But ill side them and add fiendish chains in there place and see what happens.
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Sided decrees are good. Main decked are just making the most prevalent matchup even more difficult...


Like I said, I have never had an issue with them mained. But ill side them and add fiendish chains in there place and see what happens.

ok so go top a regional with it then if youve never had an issue with them. i guarantee these builds with all these inconsistent shit cards won't do shit at regionals and ycses
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Almost played this for Toronto, but I didn't wanna lose to early banisher/fissure with protection :\
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This is what im going to start testing.


3x Thunder King Rai-Oh
3x Scrap Chimera
3x Scrap Beast
3x Reborn Tengu
2x Effect Veiler
2x Summoner Monk

3x Pot of Duality
3x Scrapstorm
3x Scrapyard
3x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Monster Reborn
1x Dark Hole
1x Mind Control
1x Book of Moon
1x Heavy Storm

3x Fiendish Chain
3x Horn of the Phantom Beast
2x Solemn Warning
1x Solemn Judgment

Its at 42 right now but im thinking of taking out 2 monk, a yard and 1 mst for torrential and Mirror Force and be at 40 but i need to test some more.
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this is what I had written up for Toronto but didn't play

15x Monsters
3x Scrap Chimera
3x Scrap Beast
3x Reborn Tengu
3x Thunder King Rai-Oh
3x Effect Veiler

14x
3x Pot of Duality
3x Scrapstorm
2x Scrapyard
2x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Monster Reborn
1x Dark Hole
1x Heavy Storm
1x Mind Control

11x Traps
3x Horn of The Phantom Beast
3x Fiendish Chain
2x Solemn Warning
2x Call of The Haunted
1x Solemn Judgment

2x Scrap Twin Dragon
3x Scrap Dragon
1x Thought Ruler Archfiend
1x Stardust Dragon
1x Scrap Archfiend
1x Black Rose Dragon
1x Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
1x Ally of Justice Catastor
2x Number 39: Utopia
1x Steelswarm Roach
1x Chimeratech Fortress Dragon

3x King Tiger Whangu
3x Dimensional Prison
2x D.D. Crow
2x Kycoo The Ghost Destroyer
2x Cyber Dragon
2x Maxx "c"
1x Gorz, The Emissary of Darkness

Needed to work on the side tho, but it was testing really good except against match ups that sided in D. Fissures and Banishers with protections (Gbs, Blackwings, Heros, Sams etc.)
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@Syris: 1 monk is already iffy, 2 monk is terrible.
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I've been running the same thing as relianah except - mst + book of moon in main, and siding 2 MST. working awesome!!!
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Ok after some testing yesterday this is what I have.




3x Thunder King Rai-Oh
3x Scrap Chimera
3x Scrap Beast
3x Reborn Tengu
2x Effect Veiler


3x Pot of Duality
3x Scrapstorm
2x Scrapyard
2x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Monster Reborn
1x Dark Hole
1x Mind Control
1x Book of Moon
1x Heavy Storm

3x Fiendish Chain
3x Horn of the Phantom Beast
2x Solemn Warning
1x Solemn Judgment
2x Call Of The Haunted

Im not sure if i want to run a Starlight Road or 2. I had them in and out yesterday during testing and they were never that great for me. I dont know I still need to test more because I might play this at Regionals next month. Havnt played the Dark World match up how is it?
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Finally a good reason to play Tour Guide in scraps =).

http://www.konami.co...rticles/?p=3292

Wind-Up Zenmaines
“2 Level 3 monsters
If this face-up card on the field would be destroyed, you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card instead. Once per turn, during the End Phase, if this effect was used this turn: Target 1 card on the field; destroy it.”

ATK: 1500
DEF: 2100
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Wisel might not be too shabby post Dark World. Thoughts?
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Wisel wasn't that bad before either. But I don't think I'd ever really play more than 1. Playing 2 can get clunky unless you're also playing 1-2 goblin as well from my experience.

The whole issue is space. If you start trying to put TGU in here, things get cramped, quick.
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Wisel seems eh. There are too many spells to stop. Gate,DWL, DWD,etc, etc. I would rather play dark bribe/magic drain.
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As good as tour guide is, this deck just really cant make the space and still have the same effectiveness.
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Ok after some testing yesterday this is what I have.




3x Thunder King Rai-Oh
3x Scrap Chimera
3x Scrap Beast
3x Reborn Tengu
2x Effect Veiler


3x Pot of Duality
3x Scrapstorm
2x Scrapyard
2x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Monster Reborn
1x Dark Hole
1x Mind Control
1x Book of Moon
1x Heavy Storm

3x Fiendish Chain
3x Horn of the Phantom Beast
2x Solemn Warning
1x Solemn Judgment
2x Call Of The Haunted

Im not sure if i want to run a Starlight Road or 2. I had them in and out yesterday during testing and they were never that great for me. I dont know I still need to test more because I might play this at Regionals next month. Havnt played the Dark World match up how is it?

isn't this nearly identical to evan's build..
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yea its based off his build because its a great deck.
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did you see that mst went to 3 on the new banlist when you made that list?
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did you see that mst went to 3 on the new banlist when you made that list?


Point? Running traps was never a problem for scraps and just because mst is at 3 that doesn't change. I'd rather then waste there mst on my horns and fizzle them on scrapstorm than have them hit something important. Or vice versa. Will they hit my fiendish chain to free there monster not knowing I have a horn of the phantom beast? Besides, play smart and you won't have a problem. Mst nor heavy should be issues.
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did you see that mst went to 3 on the new banlist when you made that list?


Point? Running traps was never a problem for scraps and just because mst is at 3 that doesn't change. I'd rather then waste there mst on my horns and fizzle them on scrapstorm than have them hit something important. Or vice versa. Will they hit my fiendish chain to free there monster not knowing I have a horn of the phantom beast? Besides, play smart and you won't have a problem. Mst nor heavy should be issues.

i was referring to the fact that you were not playing 3
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did you see that mst went to 3 on the new banlist when you made that list?


Point? Running traps was never a problem for scraps and just because mst is at 3 that doesn't change. I'd rather then waste there mst on my horns and fizzle them on scrapstorm than have them hit something important. Or vice versa. Will they hit my fiendish chain to free there monster not knowing I have a horn of the phantom beast? Besides, play smart and you won't have a problem. Mst nor heavy should be issues.

i was referring to the fact that you were not playing 3


Not my list and nobody really mains 3 mst. Main 2 side the 3rd.
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Tragoieda is a beast in this deck.
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14
3 Scrap Chimera
3 Scrap Beast
3 Reborn Tengu
2 Thunder King Rai-oh
2 D.D. Crow
1 Maxx "C"

14
3 Pot of Duality
3 Scrapyard
3 Scrapstorm
1 Mind Control
1 Monster Reborn
1 Dark Hole
1 Heavy Storm
1 Scapegoat

13
3 Horn of the Phantom Beast
3 Fiendish Chain
2 Call of the Haunted
2 Solemn Warning
1 Solemn Judgment
1 Trap Dustshoot
1 Starlight Road



Naturia Beast + Horn of the Phantom Beast = gg. I feel dirty not playing Torrential/Force though.
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did you see that mst went to 3 on the new banlist when you made that list?


Point? Running traps was never a problem for scraps and just because mst is at 3 that doesn't change. I'd rather then waste there mst on my horns and fizzle them on scrapstorm than have them hit something important. Or vice versa. Will they hit my fiendish chain to free there monster not knowing I have a horn of the phantom beast? Besides, play smart and you won't have a problem. Mst nor heavy should be issues.

i was referring to the fact that you were not playing 3


Not my list and nobody really mains 3 mst. Main 2 side the 3rd.

judging from ycs toronto plenty of decks main 3 mst and this seems like the kind of deck that would want to do that. making scrap dragon uninterrupted is still key and mst is also synergistic with the dragon itself.
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The only card that can really stop scrap dragon is BTH. I lol when people warning my scrap dragon. I still get to fetch a scrap from my grave which will usually be my scrap golem(which I still play faithfully regardless of how many people say I shouldn't) which I can use to go into another scrap or scrap twin.


Naturia Beast + Horn of the Phantom Beast = gg. I feel dirty not playing Torrential/Force though.


No mst o-o?
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2 Effect Veiler
3 Reborn Tengu
3 Tour Guide From The Underworld
1 Sangan
3 Scrap Beast
3 Scrap Chimera

1 Book of Moon
1 Dark Hole
1 Heavy Storm
1 Mind Control
1 Monster Reborn
2/3 Mystical Space Typhoon
3 Pot of Duality
2 Scrapstorm
2/3 Scrapyard

2 Call of The Haunted
2/3 Fiendish Chain
1 Solemn Judgment
2 Solemn Warning
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Trap Dustshoot

Deck basically functions like any other Scrap deck except it has the TCG exclusive swiss army knife known as Tour Guide. To get the most out of your tour guide you drop it when you can either scrap dragon the next turn or while you already have an on field scrap dragon (chimera/reborn/coth/tengu + beast). From it you summon Zenmaines and destroy two of their cards for free every turn.

The: 2/3 cards: Debating to put the last slot on a 3rd Scrapyard( to add consistency to setting up early), MST or Fiendish Chain.
Torrential Tribute: With the addition of Zenmaines and Sangan, the deck runs more than enough floaters that take advantage of torrential plays.

All of this is just being tested on DN until November 15 and isn't final since there are still more cards to be released by November 15 in Photon Shockwave which could change the card choices.


Posted the same thing in deck garage. Anyone got any thoughts on it? Only argument against TGU was no room..but I found there was actually plenty of room.
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