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Ribbit! Sept. 2012

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#361
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wow a real local?!

The point was that I was mentioning the list was the same as the one reggie posted...Sure, it's a locals video and you can be as rude as you want, but the point of the video was to give an idea of something to play at the beginning of this format not to brag that I won locals.


I am just kidding, good sir. Only love here, not meant to actually be offensive.


Haha alright, I'll take your word for it :P
Man, still not used to DGz lol
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#362
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DGZ is mad hardcore bro.

STEP IT UP, NIGGA.
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DGZ is mad hardcore bro.

STEP IT UP, NIGGA.


I could only picture you saying this in person, I can't stop laughing LOL.

Anyways Lancer or Fish frogs tomorrow. I cannot decide D:.
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#364
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DGZ is mad hardcore bro.

STEP IT UP, NIGGA.


I could only picture you saying this in person, I can't stop laughing LOL.

Anyways Lancer or Fish frogs tomorrow. I cannot decide D:.

What does your Fish list look like?
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3x Light and Darkness Dragon
3x Sea Lancer
3x Swap Frog
3x Dupe Frog
2x Obelisk
2x Ronintoadin
2x Tour Guide
2x Tragoedia
2x Treeborn Frog
1x Gorz
1x Poison Draw Frog
1x Sangan
1x Snowman Eater

3x E-con
3x MST
2x Pot of Duality
2x Salvage
1x Soul Exchange
1x dark hole
1x heavy
1x reborn

I'll post the fish list a bit later but I went 7-0-1 today with this list winning $55. So much fun
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#366
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Like a boss! Looks really solid too. What was your loss to?
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Like a boss! Looks really solid too. What was your loss to?


I didn't lose, I had a draw with Dark World XD.
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so im thnking about using monarchs again for seattle, but what im scared of is everyone siding in hate that is good against the atlantean/mermail deck. how is everyone gonna start fighting against the side deck cards like D-Fissure, Macro, and the like?
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3 Dust, 3 Typhoon. Lancer is a better choice than pure monarchs right now because it's less hurt by the generally sided cards for monarchs.
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Twister isn't bad either becuase it allows you to make your play that turn. Ive hit a bunch of D Fi's with it.
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Twister is bad, though, because it's super narrow.
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Why would you play twister over dust?
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#373
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Why would you play twister over dust?

Because he hit a bunch of D Fi's with it.
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i sided twisters to get rid of rivalry / gozen which dust cant do immediately
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List has been amazing for me. A majority of the time when Snowman is attacked, he lives, allowing me to flip Aoi and take a card from the opponent's hand. Swap + Guide work amazing, tutoring and swaping your Sangan, or going for Acid and playing Creature Swap.

With Grizzly/Salvage at two in here, I felt a need to cut Lancer to 2.

Anyone else's thoughts on this list? The extra I had built is pretty standard for having rank 2/3 engines in the deck.

I may add Soul Exchange so I do not lose to the Macro Rabbit match-up so easily. Outside of ECon/Treeborn/Ronin, I have no way of substaining a monster on the field.
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Pretty sure I'm bad for this, and that Bergy would slap me for even bringing this up but... Is there some reason why I rather run Raiza over Caius because Daigusto is a card and spinning is still stupid?
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Pretty sure I'm bad for this, and that Bergy would slap me for even bringing this up but... Is there some reason why I rather run Raiza over Caius because Daigusto is a card and spinning is still stupid?

why not both?
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Pretty sure I'm bad for this, and that Bergy would slap me for even bringing this up but... Is there some reason why I rather run Raiza over Caius because Daigusto is a card and spinning is still stupid?

why not both?


Room and not wanting to run that many tribute monsters. Ive been really wanting to test 2 Raiza with 2 Caius sided since Raiza leads to the more damaging outcome and is still pretty strong against xyzs and a lot of boss monsters in my opinion. Just having a 2400 that can swing twice with daigusto and the deck being able to churn out two rank 2s with ease is just appealing as fuck.
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Why would you play twister over dust?

Because he hit a bunch of D Fi's with it.


and Macros. The reason is because you can make your play you were going to do THAT turn itself instead of have to wait to set the Dust. That's why...
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Was looking through old cards yesterday and found this:
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Shuts down all the Atlantean effs, and cant get runover by by megalo. I guess he could be sort of usefull in other matchups aswell.
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#381
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I've tested the card before when Dark World was rampant, but Grapha always seem to come back and run it over. This card seems like it'd be really good vs Atlantails though. I will definitely test it again.
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Guys Slushy is REALLY good in Lancer and vastly improves the Wind-Up match-up AND the Rabbit match-up which were our hardest match-ups. Here's a list my friend took to an case tournament in Orlando and made top 8.
3 Swap Frog
3 Dupe Frog
3 Ronintoadin
2 Poison Draw Frog
1 Treeborn Frog
3 Slushy
3 Sea Lancer
3 Caius the Shadow Monarch
2 Poseidra, the Atlantean Dragon
1 Obelisk the Tormentor
3 Battle Fader
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
2 Tour Guide from the Underworld
1 Sangan

3 Enemy Controller
2 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Monster Reborn
1 Foolish Burial
1 Heavy Storm

2 Torrential Tribute
2 Solemn Warning
1 Solemn Judgment
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Looks interesting, will test it out.
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3 Swap Frog
3 Dupe Frog
3 Ronintoadin
2 Poison Draw Frog
1 Treeborn Frog
3 Slushy
3 Sea Lancer
3 Caius the Shadow Monarch
2 Poseidra, the Atlantean Dragon
1 Obelisk the Tormentor
3 Battle Fader
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
2 Tour Guide from the Underworld
1 Sangan

3 Enemy Controller
2 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Monster Reborn
1 Foolish Burial
1 Heavy Storm

2 Torrential Tribute
2 Solemn Warning
1 Solemn Judgment


I do hope you just typed that trap lineup out of habit or something

I'm not sold on Poseidra. I would think LaDD would be a superior choice, especially since you're running Faders.

Also, put Dark Hole in. Never forsake the Trinity based on best-case scenarios; it's flawed logic at best.
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I fucking gave up on Obelisk. Every deck runs 1-2 Torrentials and Dark Hole , Atlanteans , Geargia and Chaos Dragons can make Catastor/Black Rose easy too. My biggest problem with the card is that when you have it if you use Treeborn your opponent can Torrential you. Which isnt a huge deal as you get Treeborn back but Obelisk is one of those cards that you expect you to win the game by itself with all the resources you put in to it.

I dropped them for 2 Raiza and I like it better so far.
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I fucking gave up on Obelisk. Every deck runs 1-2 Torrentials and Dark Hole , Atlanteans , Geargia and Chaos Dragons can make Catastor/Black Rose easy too. My biggest problem with the card is that when you have it if you use Treeborn your opponent can Torrential you. Which isnt a huge deal as you get Treeborn back but Obelisk is one of those cards that you expect you to win the game by itself with all the resources you put in to it.

I dropped them for 2 Raiza and I like it better so far.


I agree, I much rather would drop a LADD then Obelisk any day of the week now. Also I wanted to bring up some points on anubis for those that run him. He is very similar to Light and darkness dragon in point that he shuts off your treeborn and ronins, but doesn't have the added protection.
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I fucking gave up on Obelisk. Every deck runs 1-2 Torrentials and Dark Hole , Atlanteans , Geargia and Chaos Dragons can make Catastor/Black Rose easy too. My biggest problem with the card is that when you have it if you use Treeborn your opponent can Torrential you. Which isnt a huge deal as you get Treeborn back but Obelisk is one of those cards that you expect you to win the game by itself with all the resources you put in to it.

I dropped them for 2 Raiza and I like it better so far.

Well I don't think Treeborn + Ronintoadin + Ronintoadin or a Soul Ex/E-Con play is a real lot a ressources. And I'm not sure it's good to summon useless things like Treeborn when you have the actual nuts on the field.
I mean, Obelisk is free most of the time, and if you can't just get a win out of it, you'll still make your opponent waste his cards to get rid of him, so he'll still have done a good job right ? Obelisk for president.
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I fucking gave up on Obelisk. Every deck runs 1-2 Torrentials and Dark Hole , Atlanteans , Geargia and Chaos Dragons can make Catastor/Black Rose easy too. My biggest problem with the card is that when you have it if you use Treeborn your opponent can Torrential you. Which isnt a huge deal as you get Treeborn back but Obelisk is one of those cards that you expect you to win the game by itself with all the resources you put in to it.

I dropped them for 2 Raiza and I like it better so far.


You just stop summoning stuff when obelisk is out to make dark hole and mirror force the only outs. You're still going to get a +1 every turn off of chump blockers, no need to get greedy. Once they do get rid of it, you should have something like a LADD to follow it up. If they run out of chump blockers you win.
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I fucking gave up on Obelisk. Every deck runs 1-2 Torrentials and Dark Hole , Atlanteans , Geargia and Chaos Dragons can make Catastor/Black Rose easy too. My biggest problem with the card is that when you have it if you use Treeborn your opponent can Torrential you. Which isnt a huge deal as you get Treeborn back but Obelisk is one of those cards that you expect you to win the game by itself with all the resources you put in to it.

I dropped them for 2 Raiza and I like it better so far.


You just stop summoning stuff when obelisk is out to make dark hole and mirror force the only outs. You're still going to get a +1 every turn off of chump blockers, no need to get greedy. Once they do get rid of it, you should have something like a LADD to follow it up. If they run out of chump blockers you win.


This basically. I tested just Raiza as my only monarch yesterday and only lost when I couldnt focus on my match. I don't know why you would want to cut Obelisk, if your using him right you should only be summoning other monsters if they have a huge field you need to take care of with little-no risk of TT.
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3 Swap Frog
3 Dupe Frog
3 Ronintoadin
2 Poison Draw Frog
1 Treeborn Frog
3 Slushy
3 Sea Lancer
3 Caius the Shadow Monarch
2 Poseidra, the Atlantean Dragon
1 Obelisk the Tormentor
3 Battle Fader
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
2 Tour Guide from the Underworld
1 Sangan

3 Enemy Controller
2 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Monster Reborn
1 Foolish Burial
1 Heavy Storm

2 Torrential Tribute
2 Solemn Warning
1 Solemn Judgment


I do hope you just typed that trap lineup out of habit or something

I'm not sold on Poseidra. I would think LaDD would be a superior choice, especially since you're running Faders.

Also, put Dark Hole in. Never forsake the Trinity based on best-case scenarios; it's flawed logic at best.


I gave you the list he topped with. I didn't give you my list even though I agree with his backrow choices.

I could post my list if you wanted.
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Also, this becomes even more relevant after Cosmo Blazer because we get the Rank 1 XYZ which means Fader can go to GY.
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If you want to go that route, even Sorciere De Fleur has potential. All of it seems mediocre though. Anubis is more of a side card and Vamp dragon is meh at best.
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Thought about this:

3 Light and Darkness Dragon
3 Caius the Shadow Monarch
3 Raiza the Storm Monarch
3 Swap Frog
2 Dupe Frog
2 Ronintoadin
1 Treeborn Frog
3 Gallis the Star Beast
3 Genex Ally Birdman
3 Battle Fader
2 Tragoedia
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
2 Dimensional Alchemist
2 Tour Guide from the Underworld
2 Maxx "C"
2 Effect Veiler
1 Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
1 Sangan
1 Chaos Sorcerer

Thoughts?
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looks interesting. I was thinking about building frog chaos when we got the rank 1 in cosmo blazar.

not sure how I feel about the gallis birdman engine but it seems super super nifty. How are the dimensional Alchs?
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if you're playing gallis and birdman and faders, you should 100% play valley.
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Hold on one second. Is this a Monarch thread or a Frog thread? Just checking.
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Basically used for both lol.
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Hold on one second. Is this a Monarch thread or a Frog thread? Just checking.


Our bad, this should ONLY BE USED FOR MONARCHS.

10x Caius
10x Raiza
10x Mobius
10x Zaborg

obv siding Thestellos because of DW.
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Hold on one second. Is this a Monarch thread or a Frog thread? Just checking.


Our bad, this should ONLY BE USED FOR MONARCHS.

10x Caius
10x Raiza
10x Mobius
10x Zaborg

obv siding Thestellos because of DW.


I wish I had come up with this.
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+1 frog no other fixes mang 9/10
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